DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 12:47 last edited by
DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/16/doge-irs-access-taxpayer-data/
How do you feel about that?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 12:50 last edited by
Is this the same data the hackers went through a couple of months ago?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 13:03 last edited by
@Jolly said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:
Is this the same data the hackers went through a couple of months ago?
No.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 13:20 last edited by
Social Security, maybe?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 14:11 last edited by
What possible use case is there that wouldn’t be satisfied with deidentified data?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:05 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:
What possible legitimate use case is there that wouldn’t be satisfied with deidentified data?
FIFY.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:13 last edited by
My feeling about this is that many of Trump's followers, the very same people who until recently said that government has been interfering far too much in our lives, will find a way to say that it's OK for them to do this because it will stop something terrible from occurring.
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My feeling about this is that many of Trump's followers, the very same people who until recently said that government has been interfering far too much in our lives, will find a way to say that it's OK for them to do this because it will stop something terrible from occurring.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 15:28 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes LIke the majority of Ax's links, that one is paywalled, but yes, I doubt people who support the mission of DOGE will be doing any hand wringing about framings of the forensic accounting that emphasize the government looking at its own data and how that's terrifying. Or maybe there's a better way to articulate the concern here?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:28 last edited by jon-nyc
If he didn’t have a daily history of publishing the state’s data, but wrapped in a narrative that is false about half the time, then maybe you’d have a point.
To answer more directly, the concern is privacy.
I’ll ask again- why won’t deidentified data suffice for any analysis he’d have a legitimate reason to perform?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:30 last edited by
Who's going to de-identify it?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:31 last edited by
Some database admin.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:37 last edited by
And how long is that going to take?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:38 last edited by
I know better than to underestimate the time IT folks can absorb doing anything but really aren’t we just talking about copying a table while omitting some fields?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:49 last edited by
No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 18:13 last edited by
This data will help us identify corrupt congresspeople.
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No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 22:50 last edited by@Mik said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:
No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.
Try putting on your info-sec hat and see if you think the time it would take to de-identify that data is worth it.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 23:39 last edited by
Probably not but I don’t know what the laws pertaining to this data are. If it was healthcare I could tell you.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2025, 00:13 last edited by jon-nyc
In Trump’s world there are two kinds of people. Those who the law protects but doesn’t necessarily bind, and those who the law binds but doesn’t necessarily protect. Doge is in the first group, career civil service is in the latter.
I want only the latter group to have access to personally-identifiable tax information.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 14:37 last edited by
Of course, the DOGE needs access to personal taxpayer data. How else can President Trump send USD$5000 checks to every one?
President Donald Trump suggested that some savings from his federal cost-cutting effort, overseen by billionaire Elon Musk, could be sent back to US taxpayers, with another portion being used to reduce the national deficit.
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Trump’s idea has been floated previously by Musk, who was in attendance for the address. Musk responded this week to a post on his social media platform X suggesting that Trump announce a “DOGE Dividend” with a $5,000 tax refund check sent to taxpaying households, saying he would “check with the President.”
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 15:13 last edited by
100MM taxpaying households? (A guess). That’s half a trillion