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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/16/doge-irs-access-taxpayer-data/

    How do you feel about that?

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Is this the same data the hackers went through a couple of months ago?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Is this the same data the hackers went through a couple of months ago?

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        @Jolly said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:

        Is this the same data the hackers went through a couple of months ago?

        No.

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          Social Security, maybe?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            What possible use case is there that wouldn’t be satisfied with deidentified data?

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              What possible use case is there that wouldn’t be satisfied with deidentified data?

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              @jon-nyc said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:

              What possible legitimate use case is there that wouldn’t be satisfied with deidentified data?

              FIFY.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                My feeling about this is that many of Trump's followers, the very same people who until recently said that government has been interfering far too much in our lives, will find a way to say that it's OK for them to do this because it will stop something terrible from occurring.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  My feeling about this is that many of Trump's followers, the very same people who until recently said that government has been interfering far too much in our lives, will find a way to say that it's OK for them to do this because it will stop something terrible from occurring.

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                  Horace
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                  @Doctor-Phibes LIke the majority of Ax's links, that one is paywalled, but yes, I doubt people who support the mission of DOGE will be doing any hand wringing about framings of the forensic accounting that emphasize the government looking at its own data and how that's terrifying. Or maybe there's a better way to articulate the concern here?

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    If he didn’t have a daily history of publishing the state’s data, but wrapped in a narrative that is false about half the time, then maybe you’d have a point.

                    To answer more directly, the concern is privacy.

                    I’ll ask again- why won’t deidentified data suffice for any analysis he’d have a legitimate reason to perform?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Who's going to de-identify it?

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Some database admin.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • MikM Offline
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                          And how long is that going to take?

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            I know better than to underestimate the time IT folks can absorb doing anything but really aren’t we just talking about copying a table while omitting some fields?

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                This data will help us identify corrupt congresspeople.

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.

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                                  @Mik said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:

                                  No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.

                                  Try putting on your info-sec hat and see if you think the time it would take to de-identify that data is worth it.

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                                    Probably not but I don’t know what the laws pertaining to this data are. If it was healthcare I could tell you.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      In Trump’s world there are two kinds of people. Those who the law protects but doesn’t necessarily bind, and those who the law binds but doesn’t necessarily protect. Doge is in the first group, career civil service is in the latter.

                                      I want only the latter group to have access to personally-identifiable tax information.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-19/trump-floats-giving-taxpayers-cut-of-doge-savings-amid-criticism

                                        Of course, the DOGE needs access to personal taxpayer data. How else can President Trump send USD$5000 checks to every one?

                                        President Donald Trump suggested that some savings from his federal cost-cutting effort, overseen by billionaire Elon Musk, could be sent back to US taxpayers, with another portion being used to reduce the national deficit.

                                        and

                                        Trump’s idea has been floated previously by Musk, who was in attendance for the address. Musk responded this week to a post on his social media platform X suggesting that Trump announce a “DOGE Dividend” with a $5,000 tax refund check sent to taxpaying households, saying he would “check with the President.”

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                                          100MM taxpaying households? (A guess). That’s half a trillion

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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