Elon discovers the constitution

[Horace]

I'm hopelessly ignorant about this. Is it the case that any federal judge (how many are there?) can exercise veto power over any executive order?

[jon-nyc]

No. Anyone who believes the EO or law is unlawful and is harmed by it can sue, and can request a temporary injunction while their case is heard. The temporary injunction often requires irreparable harm to be shown (harm that isn’t easily reversible if they win later).

The administration is a party to that, and if they have a good argument as to why the injunction shouldn’t happen they may prevail. Usually ‘cause we don’t wanna wait’ isn’t enough. It would normally require irrevocable harm to the administration’s interest. You could imagine a law with a built in sell-by date after which it’s moot.

[jon-nyc]

This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

Trump’s legal team knows they’re testing legal boundaries and that this is exactly what that looks like.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

Well, either that or he's just being a troll.

It's generally impossible to tell with that guy.

[jon-nyc]

The truth is the opposite of what Elon says.

If a citizen can’t challenge a presidential action that causes him direct harm in court, we don’t live in a democracy.

[jon-nyc]

[Copper]

If an employee is mismanaging funds, a superior should have access to this information.

If it harms the mismanaging employee, good.

Please, go ahead and harm the mismanaging employee.

And then find the superior that didn't already do that.

Thank you for your service Mr. Musk.

[Horace]

I remain hopeful and open minded that the DOGE product will be for the good, regardless of how easy it is to throw stones at the project.

[Mik]

Indeed. But it was never going to be accomplished without any pain.

[Jolly]

Oh, there will be blood.

We should have never put ourselves in the position where payment on the national debt exceeds the military budget.

[jon-nyc]

Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

It’s pretty scary.

[Axtremus]

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

Figure Elon passed his citizenship test before naturalization. Think he didn’t study or just forgot?

[Horace]

The citizenship test is super easy. Like, measured by units of difficulty equal to the difficulty of getting a gender studies PhD at an Ivy League school, it’s only a five. Only five times as hard as the gender studies PhD from Harvard. You can literally study 30 minutes before the test and pass.

[LuFins Dad]

I hate to be the obnoxious conservative, here, but you all are wrong, including and especially Elon. We are not living on a democracy. We’re living in a Democratic Republic. The relationship and balance of powers between the executive and the judiciary have absolutely nothing to do with democracy. The judges are not elected, they are appointed by the Executive with advice and consent of the Senate.

[Jolly]

Party pooper.

[xenon]

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

It’s pretty scary.

This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

[LuFins Dad]

@xenon said in Elon discovers the constitution:

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

It’s pretty scary.

This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

I don’t have any problem with cutting the waste now and addressing the tax cuts and Trump’s additional spending individually after we address this first.

I personally don’t believe that we can address reforming the entitlements without showing an extremely earnest and honest attempt at trimming the fat first. Once you can show that we’ve trimmed $————- Billions, then you can show the American public how far away you are from fixing the budget unless you reform SS and Medicare WITHOUT REDUCING BENEFITS!!! Then you can remove the cap or at least adjust it upward. Maybe raise FICA by .5%.

Now, do I trust them to do so? Not at all, but you can’t do so without taking this first step.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Elon discovers the constitution:

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

It’s pretty scary.

This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

You know, in a previous life I worked with government employees and 457 accounts. I had clients that made in one year what you probably make in a month.

So, how do you get people who are barely scraping by, to invest?

I'll tell you...We had an extremely low buy-in and a ridiculously low management fee. $20/month or $10/paycheck to start and a management fee maximum of $100/yr for self-directed accounts.

If I could get somebody started, most of the time when they got their yearly step increase, I'd hit them up for two or three dollars/check more. If they got a promotion, maybe I'd shoot for $5 or $10/check.

My goal was $50/month. If I could get them there and they did that for 30 years at 5%, they'd have a bit over 40 grand at retirement. Combine that with their DROP (Deferred Retirement Option Program) money, and you could have a patient aide retire at 55 with $100k (not counting taxes) and a $2000/month pension.

Now to you, that's peanuts, but to that demographic, that's like winning the lottery. It would allow them to get debt-free, at an age where they could still work ten years.

It all starts with $10/check and a shift in mindset.

We (the U S.) must do something. Right now, we must take the first step, then another and then another. So what if we begin with 1%. Maybe we can get another 0.5% here, 1% there or more. Some beats the sugar out of none.

The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

[Mik]

It's not just the personnel costs. They're going after a lot of spending. Ask any CEO if they'd like to reduce spending 1 or 2%.

[jon-nyc]

That might be reasonable to say if they weren’t simultaneously making a positive decision to add 4T to the debt in the next 24-30 months.