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Elon discovers the constitution

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #13

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • CopperC Online
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      Copper
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      #14

      If an employee is mismanaging funds, a superior should have access to this information.

      If it harms the mismanaging employee, good.

      Please, go ahead and harm the mismanaging employee.

      And then find the superior that didn't already do that.

      Thank you for your service Mr. Musk.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
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        #15

        I remain hopeful and open minded that the DOGE product will be for the good, regardless of how easy it is to throw stones at the project.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
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          #16

          Indeed. But it was never going to be accomplished without any pain.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #17

            Oh, there will be blood.

            We should have never put ourselves in the position where payment on the national debt exceeds the military budget.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
              #18

              Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

              And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

              It’s pretty scary.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

                Trump’s legal team knows they’re testing legal boundaries and that this is exactly what that looks like.

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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #19

                @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

                Figure Elon passed his citizenship test before naturalization. Think he didn’t study or just forgot?

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  #20

                  The citizenship test is super easy. Like, measured by units of difficulty equal to the difficulty of getting a gender studies PhD at an Ivy League school, it’s only a five. Only five times as hard as the gender studies PhD from Harvard. You can literally study 30 minutes before the test and pass.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    #21

                    I hate to be the obnoxious conservative, here, but you all are wrong, including and especially Elon. We are not living on a democracy. We’re living in a Democratic Republic. The relationship and balance of powers between the executive and the judiciary have absolutely nothing to do with democracy. The judges are not elected, they are appointed by the Executive with advice and consent of the Senate.

                    The Brad

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Party pooper.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                        And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                        It’s pretty scary.

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                        xenon
                        wrote on last edited by xenon
                        #23

                        @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                        Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                        And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                        It’s pretty scary.

                        This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                        Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

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                        • X xenon

                          @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                          Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                          And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                          It’s pretty scary.

                          This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                          Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          #24

                          @xenon said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                          @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                          Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                          And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                          It’s pretty scary.

                          This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                          Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

                          I don’t have any problem with cutting the waste now and addressing the tax cuts and Trump’s additional spending individually after we address this first.

                          I personally don’t believe that we can address reforming the entitlements without showing an extremely earnest and honest attempt at trimming the fat first. Once you can show that we’ve trimmed $————- Billions, then you can show the American public how far away you are from fixing the budget unless you reform SS and Medicare WITHOUT REDUCING BENEFITS!!! Then you can remove the cap or at least adjust it upward. Maybe raise FICA by .5%.

                          Now, do I trust them to do so? Not at all, but you can’t do so without taking this first step.

                          The Brad

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                            @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                            Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                            And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                            It’s pretty scary.

                            This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                            Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            #25

                            @xenon said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                            @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                            Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                            And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                            It’s pretty scary.

                            This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                            Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

                            The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

                            You know, in a previous life I worked with government employees and 457 accounts. I had clients that made in one year what you probably make in a month.

                            So, how do you get people who are barely scraping by, to invest?

                            I'll tell you...We had an extremely low buy-in and a ridiculously low management fee. $20/month or $10/paycheck to start and a management fee maximum of $100/yr for self-directed accounts.

                            If I could get somebody started, most of the time when they got their yearly step increase, I'd hit them up for two or three dollars/check more. If they got a promotion, maybe I'd shoot for $5 or $10/check.

                            My goal was $50/month. If I could get them there and they did that for 30 years at 5%, they'd have a bit over 40 grand at retirement. Combine that with their DROP (Deferred Retirement Option Program) money, and you could have a patient aide retire at 55 with $100k (not counting taxes) and a $2000/month pension.

                            Now to you, that's peanuts, but to that demographic, that's like winning the lottery. It would allow them to get debt-free, at an age where they could still work ten years.

                            It all starts with $10/check and a shift in mindset.

                            We (the U S.) must do something. Right now, we must take the first step, then another and then another. So what if we begin with 1%. Maybe we can get another 0.5% here, 1% there or more. Some beats the sugar out of none.

                            The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by Mik
                              #26

                              It's not just the personnel costs. They're going after a lot of spending. Ask any CEO if they'd like to reduce spending 1 or 2%.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #27

                                That might be reasonable to say if they weren’t simultaneously making a positive decision to add 4T to the debt in the next 24-30 months.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  #28

                                  According to Robin Hanson, all the available data shows that we could cut about 50% from our health care spending and achieve the same results. Just by not doing a lot of it. The easiest way to do that would be by nationalizing the whole project, but there are also steps individuals can take to minimize their own health care consumption, safely. But respect for the magical black box of mainstream medicine is probably an even tougher nut to crack than respect for formal education. People may die, after all.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #29

                                    Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #30

                                      @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                                      Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

                                      They also suck, but in different ways, in my experience.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #31

                                        Sure. But if the goal were to have similar to better outcomes at half the cost maybe we could change the precise mix of suckage we’re used to having to deal with.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        • CopperC Online
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                                          We go to a lot of doctor's offices now. The doctors are outnumbered by staff at least 5 to 1.

                                          If we spend 2 hours at an office visit, we might be with a doctor for 5-10 minutes.

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