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Elon discovers the constitution

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  • MikM Offline
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    I am skeptical of judicial reform. I don't know the details of that essay, but every suggestion I've seen can be summed up as "We're not getting the rulings we want and here's what we could do to turn it in our favor". Just a scant 4 years ago the Dems were screaming that SCOTUS had to be reformed. As I recall that suggestion was not greeted here with open arms.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @Jolly said in Elon discovers the constitution:

      He's right.

      Judges are supposed to call strikes and balls, based on individual cases. What we have now, is district court shopping and generalized appeals to the court.

      The system needs refinement and reform.

      Calling balls and strikes takes time, which is why the injured party can often seek a temporary injunction while their case is being heard. It would an exercise in triviality to present a set of facts in which you’d suddenly be Mr Temporary Injinction.

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      @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

      It would an exercise in triviality to present a set of facts in which you’d suddenly be Mr Temporary Injinction.

      I don't know about injinctions, but I think on judicial filings where the purpose is to blunt the will of the Executive or Congress, it should be a bit different process. Instead of one judge issuing a stay, make it a three judge panel. If the majority of the panel rules against the plaintiff, fast-track the case to SCOTUS.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Horace
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        I'm hopelessly ignorant about this. Is it the case that any federal judge (how many are there?) can exercise veto power over any executive order?

        Education is extremely important.

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          #9

          No. Anyone who believes the EO or law is unlawful and is harmed by it can sue, and can request a temporary injunction while their case is heard. The temporary injunction often requires irreparable harm to be shown (harm that isn’t easily reversible if they win later).

          The administration is a party to that, and if they have a good argument as to why the injunction shouldn’t happen they may prevail. Usually ‘cause we don’t wanna wait’ isn’t enough. It would normally require irrevocable harm to the administration’s interest. You could imagine a law with a built in sell-by date after which it’s moot.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

            Trump’s legal team knows they’re testing legal boundaries and that this is exactly what that looks like.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

              Trump’s legal team knows they’re testing legal boundaries and that this is exactly what that looks like.

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              @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

              This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

              Well, either that or he's just being a troll.

              It's generally impossible to tell with that guy.

              I was only joking

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                The truth is the opposite of what Elon says.

                If a citizen can’t challenge a presidential action that causes him direct harm in court, we don’t live in a democracy.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    If an employee is mismanaging funds, a superior should have access to this information.

                    If it harms the mismanaging employee, good.

                    Please, go ahead and harm the mismanaging employee.

                    And then find the superior that didn't already do that.

                    Thank you for your service Mr. Musk.

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                      I remain hopeful and open minded that the DOGE product will be for the good, regardless of how easy it is to throw stones at the project.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Indeed. But it was never going to be accomplished without any pain.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Oh, there will be blood.

                          We should have never put ourselves in the position where payment on the national debt exceeds the military budget.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #18

                            Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                            And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                            It’s pretty scary.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

                              Trump’s legal team knows they’re testing legal boundaries and that this is exactly what that looks like.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                              This really does come down to Elon’s ignorance.

                              Figure Elon passed his citizenship test before naturalization. Think he didn’t study or just forgot?

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                                The citizenship test is super easy. Like, measured by units of difficulty equal to the difficulty of getting a gender studies PhD at an Ivy League school, it’s only a five. Only five times as hard as the gender studies PhD from Harvard. You can literally study 30 minutes before the test and pass.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  I hate to be the obnoxious conservative, here, but you all are wrong, including and especially Elon. We are not living on a democracy. We’re living in a Democratic Republic. The relationship and balance of powers between the executive and the judiciary have absolutely nothing to do with democracy. The judges are not elected, they are appointed by the Executive with advice and consent of the Senate.

                                  The Brad

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                                    Party pooper.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                                      And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                                      It’s pretty scary.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                                      Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                                      And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                                      It’s pretty scary.

                                      This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                                      Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                                        Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                                        And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                                        It’s pretty scary.

                                        This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                                        Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

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                                        @xenon said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                                        Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                                        And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                                        It’s pretty scary.

                                        This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                                        Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

                                        I don’t have any problem with cutting the waste now and addressing the tax cuts and Trump’s additional spending individually after we address this first.

                                        I personally don’t believe that we can address reforming the entitlements without showing an extremely earnest and honest attempt at trimming the fat first. Once you can show that we’ve trimmed $————- Billions, then you can show the American public how far away you are from fixing the budget unless you reform SS and Medicare WITHOUT REDUCING BENEFITS!!! Then you can remove the cap or at least adjust it upward. Maybe raise FICA by .5%.

                                        Now, do I trust them to do so? Not at all, but you can’t do so without taking this first step.

                                        The Brad

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                                          Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                                          And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                                          It’s pretty scary.

                                          This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                                          Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

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                                          @xenon said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                                          Wait 3 years. The average maturity of our debt is 6 years. Interest rates started climbing three years ago. Half the debt will need to be refinanced at today’s rates.

                                          And the house is planning to add 4T more debt in the next 2+ years too.

                                          It’s pretty scary.

                                          This is the annoying part. Spend all the time talking about the <1% line item of federal personnel, while cranking the debt up to 11.

                                          Nonsense. We’ve become an unserious people and deserve whatever is coming.

                                          The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

                                          You know, in a previous life I worked with government employees and 457 accounts. I had clients that made in one year what you probably make in a month.

                                          So, how do you get people who are barely scraping by, to invest?

                                          I'll tell you...We had an extremely low buy-in and a ridiculously low management fee. $20/month or $10/paycheck to start and a management fee maximum of $100/yr for self-directed accounts.

                                          If I could get somebody started, most of the time when they got their yearly step increase, I'd hit them up for two or three dollars/check more. If they got a promotion, maybe I'd shoot for $5 or $10/check.

                                          My goal was $50/month. If I could get them there and they did that for 30 years at 5%, they'd have a bit over 40 grand at retirement. Combine that with their DROP (Deferred Retirement Option Program) money, and you could have a patient aide retire at 55 with $100k (not counting taxes) and a $2000/month pension.

                                          Now to you, that's peanuts, but to that demographic, that's like winning the lottery. It would allow them to get debt-free, at an age where they could still work ten years.

                                          It all starts with $10/check and a shift in mindset.

                                          We (the U S.) must do something. Right now, we must take the first step, then another and then another. So what if we begin with 1%. Maybe we can get another 0.5% here, 1% there or more. Some beats the sugar out of none.

                                          The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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