Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread
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Now, what is actually going to happen?
Canada tightens up the border and tariff goes away. Mexico is going to be more interesting...By declaring the cartels terrorist organizations, it means we can drop a SEAL team into the country, if we choose.
wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 21:28 last edited by Renauda 2 Feb 2025, 21:35@Jolly said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
…..it means we can drop a SEAL team into the country, if we choose.
Excuse me, it’s not if you [the US] chooses to drop a military strike team into Canada.
Let me remind you that we have exclusive agency on our sovereign territory. If the US wants a criminal or terrorist target on our territory taken out, US law enforcement will work in cooperation with the responsible Canadian law enforcement agency to devise and execute a joint mission under Canadian command and control. If any military force needs to be engaged to meet the mission objective it will be in a Canadian uniform.
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wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 21:33 last edited by Renauda 2 Feb 2025, 21:35
@Jolly said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
From 2023...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fentanyl-canada-export-1.7030758
At least it’s not from Rebel News.
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Anyway the article proves nothing to justify Trump’s sanctions and don’t think for a moment that the RCMP have not been working with US law enforcement agencies to deal with this issue long before this article was published.
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@jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Where’s that quote from? Trump himself?
No the Canadian CEO of Spotify
Thanks. I don’t use Spotify and don’t know anyone who does.
Am sure consumers here will respond and boycott accordingly .
wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 21:47 last edited by@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
@jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Where’s that quote from? Trump himself?
No the Canadian CEO of Spotify
Thanks. I don’t use Spotify and don’t know anyone who does.
Am sure consumers here will respond and boycott accordingly .
It's Shopify, not Spotify.
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@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
@jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Where’s that quote from? Trump himself?
No the Canadian CEO of Spotify
Thanks. I don’t use Spotify and don’t know anyone who does.
Am sure consumers here will respond and boycott accordingly .
It's Shopify, not Spotify.
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wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 22:28 last edited by
@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Thanks. We never use Shopify. In fact, I’ve never heard of it until this thread.
His business here will pay dearly for that tweet.
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@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Thanks. We never use Shopify. In fact, I’ve never heard of it until this thread.
His business here will pay dearly for that tweet.
wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 22:36 last edited by@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Thanks. We never use Shopify. In fact, I’ve never heard of it until this thread.
His business here will pay dearly for that tweet.
Currently in Wikipedia....
"Tobias Lütke (born 1980[1][2]) is a traitor, and German/Canadian entrepreneur and racing driver who is the co-founder and CEO of Shopify, an e-commerce company based in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.[4][5][6][7] He has been part of the core team of the Ruby on Rails framework and has created open source libraries such as Active Merchant.[8] As of 2022, he was the 11th richest Canadian.[9] As of November 2024, his net worth was US$9.9 billion.[10] He currently competes in the 2025 IMSA SportsCar Championship driving in LMP2 for Era Motorsport.[11]"
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If you listen to the administration it seems like the fentanyl stuff, at least with respect to Canada, was necessary as a legal basis for tariffs under Trump’s rebranded NAFTA. But many of his comments seem to indicate a concern about trade deficits if not the very idea of imports, which he considers subsidies.
That’s why I asked the question ‘where are these demands?’
I don’t think any have been made, since that would require some coherent goal in the first place.
wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 22:36 last edited by Renauda 2 Mar 2025, 00:15@jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
If you listen to the administration it seems like the fentanyl stuff, at least with respect to Canada, was necessary as a legal basis for tariffs under Trump’s rebranded NAFTA. But all his own comments seem to indicate a concern about trade deficits if not the very idea of imports, which he considers subsidies.
That’s why I asked the question ‘where are these demands?’
I don’t think any have been made, since that would require some coherent goal in the first place.
Trump has been all over the board on this since he started on us in November. Without going into detail we have bent backwards to the tune of $1. 8 billion in increased border security to appease his concerns. Same with Defence spending commitments. All of which have been and continue to be coordinated with not only the responsible US agencies but directly with his appointees to cabinet. Then Trump moves the goal posts to the trade deficit. Now yesterday it’s back again to border security.
We have no issue with his security fears and concerns. Nor do we have issue with trade and investment irritants and issues.
All require diplomacy, dialogue and cooperation and those are the paths we have consistently pursued to address the problems. He has unilaterally rejected all paths to resolution and chose instead to levy unjustified punitive sanctions on not only our economy but our national sovereignty.There is no transparency whatsoever in Trump’s demands or policy
For all I know Trump is punishing Canada at Putin’s request or order, for its unwavering support of Ukraine.
Spoke to my long time Finnish friend (Best Man at my wedding and oil executive) in Helsinki this morning. He is convinced Putin has kompromat on Trump and uses it at will. Who knows?
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wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 22:50 last edited by
Canadians boo US National Anthem....
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3348gk8my0o
A few hours after President Donald Trump announced that he would impose steep tariffs on Canada, hockey fans in the capital Ottawa booed the Star-Spangled Banner during a National Hockey League game against a visiting US team.
On Sunday, during a National Basketball Association game between the Toronto Raptors and the Los Angeles Clippers, it happened again, continuing throughout the song and almost drowning out the 15-year-old's singer's arena performance.
The vocal displeasure from usually respectful fans is a clear sign of Canadians' deep dismay at Trump's move to hit its nearest ally with punitive taxes, which threaten to spark an unprecedented trade war on the North American continent.
The 25% tariffs imposed by Trump on all Canadian imports into the US - with a lower 10% levy on energy - are set to take effect on Tuesday.
And they come as President Trump doubles down on his push - no longer dismissed as a joke - for Canada to join America and become the 51st state.
Hearts and minds...
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wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 22:57 last edited by Renauda 2 Feb 2025, 23:58
We’re asking hockey fans at Oilers games here not to boo or jeer the American anthem.
Instead fans are encouraged to turn their backs to the rink and remain totally silent for the duration of the US anthem.
Then loudly and proudly sing their hearts out in English and French throughout Oh Canada
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wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 23:17 last edited by
2% dip in the US stock market futures.
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wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 23:23 last edited by
Friday's drop was ~1.7% from announcement to close.
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A Honda Civic just went from $24,250 base to $29K…
wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 23:27 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
A Honda Civic just went from $24,250 base to $29K…
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Canadians boo US National Anthem....
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3348gk8my0o
A few hours after President Donald Trump announced that he would impose steep tariffs on Canada, hockey fans in the capital Ottawa booed the Star-Spangled Banner during a National Hockey League game against a visiting US team.
On Sunday, during a National Basketball Association game between the Toronto Raptors and the Los Angeles Clippers, it happened again, continuing throughout the song and almost drowning out the 15-year-old's singer's arena performance.
The vocal displeasure from usually respectful fans is a clear sign of Canadians' deep dismay at Trump's move to hit its nearest ally with punitive taxes, which threaten to spark an unprecedented trade war on the North American continent.
The 25% tariffs imposed by Trump on all Canadian imports into the US - with a lower 10% levy on energy - are set to take effect on Tuesday.
And they come as President Trump doubles down on his push - no longer dismissed as a joke - for Canada to join America and become the 51st state.
Hearts and minds...
wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 00:00 last edited by Renauda 2 Mar 2025, 00:03@Doctor-Phibes said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Canadians boo US National Anthem....
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3348gk8my0o
Hearts and minds...
Certainly our backsides.
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wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 00:20 last edited by
A diagram from Cato showing just one example of modern auto supply chains and why tariffs get amplified throughout the network.
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wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 02:32 last edited by
@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Thanks. We never use Shopify. In fact, I’ve never heard of it until this thread.
You wouldn’t, nor would I. As I understand it’s an easy platform to sell your merchandise or services online.
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wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 02:42 last edited by
I thought that’s what OnlyFans was for.
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@jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
@blondie said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
It’s all so stupid, your American president. We’re a continent of trade partners, not enemies.
WSJ Editorial Board agrees.
The article:
President Trump will fire his first tariff salvo on Saturday against those notorious American adversaries . . . Mexico and Canada. They’ll get hit with a 25% border tax, while China, a real adversary, will endure 10%. This reminds us of the old Bernard Lewis joke that it’s risky to be America’s enemy but it can be fatal to be its friend.
Leaving China aside, Mr. Trump’s justification for this economic assault on the neighbors makes no sense. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt says they’ve “enabled illegal drugs to pour into America.” But drugs have flowed into the U.S. for decades, and will continue to do so as long as Americans keep using them. Neither country can stop it.
Drugs may be an excuse since Mr. Trump has made clear he likes tariffs for their own sake. “We don’t need the products that they have,” Mr. Trump said on Thursday. “We have all the oil you need. We have all the trees you need, meaning the lumber.”
Mr. Trump sometimes sounds as if the U.S. shouldn’t import anything at all, that America can be a perfectly closed economy making everything at home. This is called autarky, and it isn’t the world we live in, or one that we should want to live in, as Mr. Trump may soon find out.
Take the U.S. auto industry, which is really a North American industry because supply chains in the three countries are highly integrated. In 2024 Canada supplied almost 13% of U.S. imports of auto parts and Mexico nearly 42%. Industry experts say a vehicle made on the continent goes back and forth across borders a half dozen times or more, as companies source components and add value in the most cost-effective ways.
And everyone benefits. The office of the U.S. Trade Representative says that in 2023 the industry added more than $809 billion to the U.S. economy, or about 11.2% of total U.S. manufacturing output, supporting “9.7 million direct and indirect U.S. jobs.” In 2022 the U.S. exported $75.4 billion in vehicles and parts to Canada and Mexico. That number jumped 14% in 2023 to $86.2 billion, according to the American Automotive Policy Council.
American car makers would be much less competitive without this trade. Regional integration is now an industry-wide manufacturing strategy—also employed in Japan, Korea and Europe—aimed at using a variety of high-skilled and low-cost labor markets to source components, software and assembly.
The result has been that U.S. industrial capacity in autos has grown alongside an increase in imported motor vehicles, engines and parts. From 1995-2019, imports of autos, engines and parts rose 169% while U.S. industrial capacity in autos, engines and parts rose 71%.
As the Cato Institute’s Scott Lincicome puts it, the data show that “as imports go up, U.S. production goes up.” Thousands of good-paying auto jobs in Texas, Ohio, Illinois and Michigan owe their competitiveness to this ecosystem, relying heavily on suppliers in Mexico and Canada.
Tariffs will also cause mayhem in the cross-border trade in farm goods. In fiscal 2024, Mexican food exports made up about 23% of total U.S. agricultural imports while Canada supplied some 20%. Many top U.S. growers have moved to Mexico because limits on legal immigration have made it hard to find workers in the U.S. Mexico now supplies 90% of avocados sold in the U.S. Is Mr. Trump now an avocado nationalist?
Then there’s the prospect of retaliation, which Canada and Mexico have shown they know how to do for maximum political impact. In 2009 the Obama Administration and Congressional Democrats ended a pilot program that allowed Mexican long-haul truckers into the U.S. as stipulated in Nafta. Mexico responded with targeted retaliation on 90 U.S. goods to pressure industries in key Congressional districts.
These included California grapes and wine, Oregon Christmas trees and cherries, jams and jellies from Ohio and North Dakota soy. When Mr. Trump imposed steel and aluminum tariffs in 2018, Mexico got results using the same tactic, putting tariffs on steel, pork products, fresh cheese and bourbon.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has promised to respond to U.S. tariffs on a dollar-for-dollar basis. Canada could suffer a larger GDP hit since its economy is so much smaller, but American consumers will feel the bite of higher costs for some goods.
None of this is supposed to happen under the U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade agreement that Mr. Trump negotiated and signed in his first term. The U.S. willingness to ignore its treaty obligations, even with friends, won’t make other countries eager to do deals. Maybe Mr. Trump will claim victory and pull back if he wins some token concessions. But if a North American trade war persists, it will qualify as one of the dumbest in history.
wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 03:09 last edited by@Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Mr. Trump sometimes sounds as if the U.S. shouldn’t import anything at all, that America can be a perfectly closed economy making everything at home. This is called autarky, and it isn’t the world we live in, or one that we should want to live in, as Mr. Trump may soon find out.
If this were 1700's, then maybe you can be like that. But in the 2000's, it is impossible. Even DPRK, which has its' self proclaimed "juche" (self reliance) does not follow it.
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I suspect the Dems won't do that, if they believe Trump is publicly faceplanting with his tariffs.
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wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 04:25 last edited by
I could see them doing it to force the vote. Then the GOP would own the outcome along with Trump.
But more importantly you could set up some really tough votes for some GOP congressmen with affected auto plants in their districts.