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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 14:29 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Feb 2025, 14:29
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    Industry experts say a vehicle made on the continent goes back and forth across borders a half dozen times or more, as companies source components and add value in the most cost-effective ways.

    This is why the statement above about assembly lines going dark on both sides of the border probably isn’t hyperbole. If you add 25% tax on each of those part movements the car likely becomes uneconomic to build at all.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      blondie
      wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 14:35 last edited by blondie 2 Feb 2025, 14:37
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      @jon-nyc Your article helped me understand the auto industry aspects of this.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 14:37 last edited by
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        This may be the reason?

        https://www.rebelnews.com/danielle_smith_is_canadas_only_leader_who_understands_trumps_tariffs_lorne_gunter

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • J Jolly
          2 Feb 2025, 14:37

          This may be the reason?

          https://www.rebelnews.com/danielle_smith_is_canadas_only_leader_who_understands_trumps_tariffs_lorne_gunter

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          Renauda
          wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 14:49 last edited by Renauda 2 Feb 2025, 15:14
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          @Jolly said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

          This may be the reason?

          https://www.rebelnews.com/danielle_smith_is_canadas_only_leader_who_understands_trumps_tariffs_lorne_gunter

          Danielle Smith? You have got to be kidding. She probably sold the country out when she went to Mar-I-Lago. The woman is not only an idiot but a menace.

          Of course look at the source, Rebel News. Lorne Gunter and Ezra Levant. Not to mention the resident water boy and gossip for the Trump camp.

          Elbows up!

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            blondie
            wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 14:57 last edited by
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            I logged back on to say this @Renauda. Rebel News. lol.

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              2 Feb 2025, 14:57

              I logged back on to say this @Renauda. Rebel News. lol.

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              Renauda
              wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 15:02 last edited by Renauda 2 Feb 2025, 15:25
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              @blondie

              Yeah. Rebel News. I don’t believe even Maxine Bernier* considers it a serious news source.

              *Leader of the decidedly right wing conservative/libertarian party in Canada. The People’s Party of Canada.

              A tenfold more accurate assessment of Danielle Smith in this battle is here:

              https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-against-trumps-tariffs-premier-smith-is-not-as-smart-as-she-thinks/

              Elbows up!

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              • J jon-nyc
                1 Feb 2025, 22:47

                I think this does answer the question about whether Trump believes his own shit about tariffs.

                As Scott Lincicome from Cato Institute says, if Canadian producers will pay the tariffs, why reduce the ones on energy to 10%?

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 15:48 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                I think this does answer the question about whether Trump believes his own shit about tariffs.

                As Scott Lincicome from Cato Institute says, if Canadian producers will pay the tariffs, why reduce the ones on energy to 10%?

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                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • J jon-nyc
                  2 Feb 2025, 15:48

                  @jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                  I think this does answer the question about whether Trump believes his own shit about tariffs.

                  As Scott Lincicome from Cato Institute says, if Canadian producers will pay the tariffs, why reduce the ones on energy to 10%?

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                  wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 16:13 last edited by Renauda 2 Feb 2025, 16:32
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                  @jon-nyc

                  As Scott Lincicome from Cato Institute says, if Canadian producers will pay the tariffs, why reduce the ones on energy to 10%?

                  One reason could be the fact that 69% of Canadian oil and gas energy stocks are held by Americans.

                  Am sure there are others

                  In the meantime here is an 11 minute BBC interview with Mark Carney, former Governor of the Bank of England and Bank of Canada and likely successor to Trudeau next month. This man is no fool and is not afraid to take on the WH bully:

                  Link to video

                  Elbows up!

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                    xenon
                    wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 16:38 last edited by
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                    This will be interesting.

                    Complete destruction of trust for long term economic cooperation.

                    Trump saw it work with China, with the decoupling after tariffs and Covid supply chain issues.

                    Interesting that he’s using the same playbook on his “allies”

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                      kluurs
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                      • R Renauda
                        2 Feb 2025, 02:56

                        @jon-nyc

                        Probably the best speech or national address Trudeau has made in his political career.

                        Quite a feat, the country is rallying around the Trudeau government on this.

                        To paraphrase Forrest Gump; And just like that, Canadians came to despise Donald Trump even more than Justin Trudeau.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 17:58 last edited by
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                        @Renauda said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                        Quite a feat, the country is rallying around the Trudeau government on this.

                        Is there anything Trump can't do?

                        I was only joking

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                        • X xenon
                          2 Feb 2025, 16:38

                          This will be interesting.

                          Complete destruction of trust for long term economic cooperation.

                          Trump saw it work with China, with the decoupling after tariffs and Covid supply chain issues.

                          Interesting that he’s using the same playbook on his “allies”

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:05 last edited by
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                          @xenon said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                          This will be interesting.

                          Complete destruction of trust for long term economic cooperation.

                          I’m old enough to remember when ‘business hates uncertainty’ was a common GOP refrain.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:06 last edited by
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                            If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • J jon-nyc
                              2 Feb 2025, 18:06

                              If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

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                              kluurs
                              wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:27 last edited by
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                              @jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                              If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

                              I remember when Trump threatened Amazon with increased postal costs. At the time, over 80% of the deliveries in our area were via USPS. Now, 100% of them are by Amazon.

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                                kluurs
                                wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:29 last edited by
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                                And if Trump gets the Keystone XL built, that will mean more exports to world markets.

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                                  2 Feb 2025, 18:06

                                  If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:32 last edited by
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                                  If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

                                  If this doesn’t resolve itself within 4 weeks, sure.

                                  The Brad

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                                  • J jon-nyc
                                    2 Feb 2025, 18:06

                                    If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:34 last edited by
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                                    @jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                                    If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

                                    And Atlantic ports. There’s also Hudson Bay for six month’s of the year, maybe more with climate change and global warming.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:35 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Feb 2025, 18:35
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                                      Even if it does. Why stay exposed to the next petty tyrant?

                                      It’s not like his base is against this. They’re watching fox with one hand in their pants and the other in their bag of potato chips. This could happen again post Trump.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      • K kluurs
                                        2 Feb 2025, 18:29

                                        And if Trump gets the Keystone XL built, that will mean more exports to world markets.

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                                        wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:40 last edited by Renauda 2 Feb 2025, 18:41
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                                        @kluurs said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                                        And if Trump gets the Keystone XL built, that will mean more exports to world markets.

                                        And what if he does but won’t be able to tie into the line we built to the border? Pipeline is useless without product to ship.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • L LuFins Dad
                                          2 Feb 2025, 18:32

                                          @jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                                          If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

                                          If this doesn’t resolve itself within 4 weeks, sure.

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 2 Feb 2025, 18:43 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Feb 2025, 18:44
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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:

                                          If you’re Canada do you have any choice but to invest in more pipelines to Pacific ports?

                                          If this doesn’t resolve itself within 4 weeks, sure.

                                          Trump doesn’t want to resolve it. It’s pretty clear from his comments that fentanyl is there for the legal justification but autarky is the goal. Though at some point markets and inflation will force his hand.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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