Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 11:59 last edited by
Trump and the Democrats approach to growing the middle class appears to be by pushing many of the lower upper class down…
I am still bewildered by this populist notion about protecting the middle class. The reason the middle class is shrinking is because they are moving UP, not down. If you want to grow the middle class, it needs to be by elevating the poor.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 12:18 last edited by
There you go making sense again!
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Trump and the Democrats approach to growing the middle class appears to be by pushing many of the lower upper class down…
I am still bewildered by this populist notion about protecting the middle class. The reason the middle class is shrinking is because they are moving UP, not down. If you want to grow the middle class, it needs to be by elevating the poor.
wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 13:18 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Trump and the Democrats approach to growing the middle class appears to be by pushing many of the lower upper class down…
I am still bewildered by this populist notion about protecting the middle class. The reason the middle class is shrinking is because they are moving UP, not down. If you want to grow the middle class, it needs to be by elevating the poor.
Trump did more to elevate people out of poverty, than any President in decades. A rising tide lifts all boats and expands the middle class.
But to do that, you have to have jobs, preferably jobs that pay even unskilled, less educated workers or improperly educated workers, middle class wages. Those type jobs are primarily to be found in construction, energy production and manufacturing.
As I posted above, Trump believes in tariffs and has done so for forty years. He believes cheap energy is a primary driver of economies (note the stance on coal this week). He believes that American shipyards need more work, producing ships made from American steel. He believes that steel should be produced in America, along with other strategic items such as computer chips or cutting edge tech.
I kind of take that mindset as a whole and try to determine where Trump is going, given his core beliefs and his personality. I don't always agree with what he does, but I try to get a sense of direction.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Trump and the Democrats approach to growing the middle class appears to be by pushing many of the lower upper class down…
I am still bewildered by this populist notion about protecting the middle class. The reason the middle class is shrinking is because they are moving UP, not down. If you want to grow the middle class, it needs to be by elevating the poor.
Trump did more to elevate people out of poverty, than any President in decades. A rising tide lifts all boats and expands the middle class.
But to do that, you have to have jobs, preferably jobs that pay even unskilled, less educated workers or improperly educated workers, middle class wages. Those type jobs are primarily to be found in construction, energy production and manufacturing.
As I posted above, Trump believes in tariffs and has done so for forty years. He believes cheap energy is a primary driver of economies (note the stance on coal this week). He believes that American shipyards need more work, producing ships made from American steel. He believes that steel should be produced in America, along with other strategic items such as computer chips or cutting edge tech.
I kind of take that mindset as a whole and try to determine where Trump is going, given his core beliefs and his personality. I don't always agree with what he does, but I try to get a sense of direction.
wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 13:26 last edited by@Jolly said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Trump did more to elevate people out of poverty, than any President in decades
NOt saying you are wrong, but what data do you use to say that?
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 13:28 last edited by
Increase in real wages.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 13:35 last edited by
From the graph in the link below, real wages seem to draw pretty straight line that increases starting in about 2014 and continuing to today.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 13:38 last edited by Renauda
Hey Beauregard, address the topic of the thread instead of deflecting from the discussion with your usual atavistic and false narratives in praise of your covetous MAGAt Moses.
What about Trump’s bald face lies and threats against Canada? What about the punitive sanctions?
Bet you haven’t the balls to engage the subject directly.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 14:08 last edited by
Yeah regarding poverty and real wages, not sure where that claim comes from @Jolly do you have numbers to back up that claim?
Poverty reductions by President:
- Clinton: Reduced by 3.8%
- Obama: Reduced by 1.6%
- Trump: Reduced by 0.8%
Real-wage grow by President, the green line is the 1st quartile of wage earners:
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Anybody here know anybody who has "buyer remorse" from the election?
I am guess it is still too early for that to happen. Maybe best to come back to this question end June.
wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 14:19 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Anybody here know anybody who has "buyer remorse" from the election?
I am guess it is still too early for that to happen. Maybe best to come back to this question end June.
The tariff stuff has to calm down. I don't think very many of his voters were expecting the fifth fastest stock market correction in history. The global market and its efficiencies are sort of a big deal, and America's prosperity depends on it. So does America's piggy bank, the stock market.
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@taiwan_girl said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Anybody here know anybody who has "buyer remorse" from the election?
I am guess it is still too early for that to happen. Maybe best to come back to this question end June.
The tariff stuff has to calm down. I don't think very many of his voters were expecting the fifth fastest stock market correction in history. The global market and its efficiencies are sort of a big deal, and America's prosperity depends on it. So does America's piggy bank, the stock market.
wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 14:27 last edited by RenaudaThe global market and its efficiencies are sort of a big deal, and America's prosperity depends on it. So does America's piggy bank, the stock market.
I agree.
I know I’ve said before but….
You cannot fool the market. In fact you cannot fool the market any more than you can fool the law of gravity. Any politician(s) in past who thought they could, failed. Sometimes with catastrophic consequences. This time round won’t be any different.
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Anybody here know anybody who has "buyer remorse" from the election?
I am guess it is still too early for that to happen. Maybe best to come back to this question end June.
wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 15:48 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Anybody here know anybody who has "buyer remorse" from the election?
Pretty much all the democrats, they really blew a great opportunity.
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wrote on 15 Mar 2025, 21:49 last edited by Renauda
Clearer idea about the tariffs, maybe……
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-global-tariffs-canada-1.7484790
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wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 00:12 last edited by
So ... will Ontario re-impose that 25% surcharge on electricity exported into the USA?
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wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 00:29 last edited by Renauda
Maybe. Quebec might even open their breakers too.
Nothing is off the table.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 19:57 last edited by
Billboard Chris has an interesting proposal. Why don’t we just buy Canada? Offer every living Canadian resident $100K if they vote to become part of the US… That would be about $4 Trillion… A lot of money, but think of the resources!
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wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 19:59 last edited by
And yes, I know it doesn’t work that way… Just found it amusing…
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Billboard Chris has an interesting proposal. Why don’t we just buy Canada? Offer every living Canadian resident $100K if they vote to become part of the US… That would be about $4 Trillion… A lot of money, but think of the resources!
wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 20:08 last edited by Horace@LuFins-Dad said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Billboard Chris has an interesting proposal. Why don’t we just buy Canada? Offer every living Canadian resident $100K if they vote to become part of the US… That would be about $4 Trillion… A lot of money, but think of the resources!
You'd only need to buy 51% of the votes. Maybe only pay the women to vote for it. That way, opposition to the plan would be misogynistic.
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And yes, I know it doesn’t work that way… Just found it amusing…
wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 20:40 last edited by Renauda@LuFins-Dad said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
And yes, I know it doesn’t work that way… Just found it amusing…
We however, are not amused.
Not in the least.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Billboard Chris has an interesting proposal. Why don’t we just buy Canada? Offer every living Canadian resident $100K if they vote to become part of the US… That would be about $4 Trillion… A lot of money, but think of the resources!
You'd only need to buy 51% of the votes. Maybe only pay the women to vote for it. That way, opposition to the plan would be misogynistic.
wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 20:45 last edited by@Horace said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
@LuFins-Dad said in Canadian Tariff situation gets its own thread:
Billboard Chris has an interesting proposal. Why don’t we just buy Canada? Offer every living Canadian resident $100K if they vote to become part of the US… That would be about $4 Trillion… A lot of money, but think of the resources!
You'd only need to buy 51% of the votes. Maybe only pay the women to vote for it. That way, opposition to the plan would be misogynistic.
Well, technically only 50% of the population is registered to vote, so you really only need like 26% of the population, which brings the cost down to $1 Trillion. But to assure you win the vote, you really need to go every man woman and child’s. I might say no if I am getting $100K, but $400K for my family?
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wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 20:51 last edited by
Never.