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See ya in court!

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    I don't think he can do this...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/illinois-gov-jb-pritzker-blocks-jan-6-rioters-state-jobs-trump-pardons-rcna190101

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      “Our State workforce must reflect the values of Illinois and demonstrate honesty, integrity, and loyalty to serving the taxpayers. “.

      Ahhhahahahaahaha. Riiiight.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        General question, with these pardons, are their convictions erased? Or, does the conviction still stand, but any punishment is forgiven?

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          General question, with these pardons, are their convictions erased? Or, does the conviction still stand, but any punishment is forgiven?

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          @taiwan_girl said in See ya in court!:

          General question, with these pardons, are their convictions erased? Or, does the conviction still stand, but any punishment is forgiven?

          Convictions still stand (remain on record; the convicts are still convicts); punishment or penalties may be reduced or removed going forward (e.g., if a convict was sent to jail the pardon would get him out early but would not compensate him for times he already spent in jail; if a convict have paid monetary fines the pardon also does not get him a refund but the pardon can allow the convict to not pay any fine he has not already paid).

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            It may never be tested. One of the J6 traitors would have have to apply for a state job and get denied in order to have standing.

            There’s 50 J6ers from IL.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • JollyJ Offline
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              For the J6 defendants to be traitors, wouldnt they have to be actively involved in a hostile takeover of the U.S. government?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                No it could just mean a person is not loyal to their country, or to principles, etc. One could easily be considered a traitor if they actively resisted the constitutional process involved in the election of a president and peaceful transfer of power. They aren’t helping a specific “enemy” but they are being disloyal to the above process that is as pure of a foundational principle of our country as anything else.

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                  But really a conman convinced them the process was rigged and fraudulent so under that premise I can certainly see why some gullible lemmings took action to stop the process.

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                    No it could just mean a person is not loyal to their country, or to principles, etc. One could easily be considered a traitor if they actively resisted the constitutional process involved in the election of a president and peaceful transfer of power. They aren’t helping a specific “enemy” but they are being disloyal to the above process that is as pure of a foundational principle of our country as anything else.

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                    @89th said in See ya in court!:

                    No it could just mean a person is not loyal to their country, or to principles, etc. One could easily be considered a traitor if they actively resisted the constitutional process involved in the election of a president and peaceful transfer of power. They aren’t helping a specific “enemy” but they are being disloyal to the above process that is as pure of a foundational principle of our country as anything else.

                    No, they thought the process was being thwarted. I've never read of any of them trying to overthrow the government.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Credulous idiots was Horace’s term for them, which seems fair.

                      At any rate I’m not sure one would be in a position to bring a case.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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