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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by Mik
    #811

    Sometimes conditions develop because it’s the best idea at the time. One is unwise to muck about with them if they don’t understand why they developed the way they did. This applies to so very many things and I’ve seen my maxim ignored many times, never to good outcomes.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      #812

      That is called Chesterton’s Fence, which he viewed as a fundamental tenet of conservatism.

      Chesterton's fence

      "Chesterton's fence" is the principle that reforms should not be made until the reasoning behind the existing state of affairs is understood. The quotation is from Chesterton's 1929 book, The Thing: Why I Am a Catholic, in the chapter, "The Drift from Domesticity":

      In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: "If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it."

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • MikM Away
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        Mik
        wrote last edited by
        #813

        He plagiarized me!

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          #814

          UPS says it will cut 20,000 jobs worldwide in 2025

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote last edited by
            #815

            Yeah, but if you suffocate efficiency out of the markets and force America to build stuff that other countries used to build for us very cheaply, you will create factory jobs. For every 20 jobs lost from the efficient economy that we destroyed with tariffs, we create one factory job. Everybody knows the value conversion between a factory job and a job in an efficient economy is 1:1000, so 1:20 is a huge win.

            I can't wait for the documentaries following factory workers through a day in their lives, so we can all see the magic we've created. It will go down in history as America's single greatest accomplishment.

            I would like to see factory jobs on all of our currency going forward. And put factory jobs on our flag.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • 89th8 Offline
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              89th
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              #816

              Winning by a factor(y) of 10!

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              • HoraceH Horace

                Yeah, but if you suffocate efficiency out of the markets and force America to build stuff that other countries used to build for us very cheaply, you will create factory jobs. For every 20 jobs lost from the efficient economy that we destroyed with tariffs, we create one factory job. Everybody knows the value conversion between a factory job and a job in an efficient economy is 1:1000, so 1:20 is a huge win.

                I can't wait for the documentaries following factory workers through a day in their lives, so we can all see the magic we've created. It will go down in history as America's single greatest accomplishment.

                I would like to see factory jobs on all of our currency going forward. And put factory jobs on our flag.

                Doctor PhibesD Online
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote last edited by
                #817

                @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                Yeah, but if you suffocate efficiency out of the markets and force America to build stuff that other countries used to build for us very cheaply, you will create factory jobs. For every 20 jobs lost from the efficient economy that we destroyed with tariffs, we create one factory job. Everybody knows the value conversion between a factory job and a job in an efficient economy is 1:1000, so 1:20 is a huge win.

                I can't wait for the documentaries following factory workers through a day in their lives, so we can all see the magic we've created. It will go down in history as America's single greatest accomplishment.

                I would like to see factory jobs on all of our currency going forward. And put factory jobs on our flag.

                I think it's important to support this initiative, so I'm going to be visiting a factor over the weekend, and supporting factory workers. I love cheesecake, so it's a win-win.

                I was only joking

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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  89th
                  wrote last edited by
                  #818

                  Sounds like a good plan. Maybe I'll check out where they make Buffalo Wings.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote last edited by
                    #819

                    Just steer clear of the sausage factory. You really don't want to know.

                    I was only joking

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      #820

                      Transparency is a hostile act.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        #821

                        Whew!

                        JUST IN: Bessent says tariffs will not cause shortages of consumer goods

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          Horace
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                          #822

                          That's a relief. Any word on whether tariffs raise prices?

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • 89th8 Offline
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                            89th
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                            #823

                            His mistake. He meant sheriffs, not tariffs.

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
                              wrote last edited by
                              #824

                              They already have. We got a quote on a follow spot for the high school. It was $3500 plus a $750 tariff reclamation fee.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Transparency is a hostile act.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:

                                Transparency is a hostile act.

                                The irony is that the government's response to this private business's actions is a hostile and political act.

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                                  #826

                                  When Bezos allegedly bent the knee to Trump before the election, he was clear that he wanted WaPo editorials to support free markets. Being anti-tariff is on-brand, and principled, and should probably earn him some credit from those who think he was just supplicating before Trump.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    89th
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                                    #827

                                    To be fair, Amazon was planning on labeling the field on the screen

                                    "Extra Trump tariff fees that are sooooo like dumb: $5.99"

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                                    • MikM Away
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #828

                                      I have no problem with the public knowing the cost of what they buy. It's a good thing.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                                        #829

                                        They should troll the administration by saying next to the tariff line ‘you can get this reimbursed by China. Contact the white house switchboard to find out how’.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          Link to video

                                          Education is extremely important.

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