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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #566

    Larry Summers put the odds of a recession at better than even.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • 89th8 Offline
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      #567

      Markets on almost a 6% swing now... was up 3%, now down 3%. I wonder if FoxNews has the stock ticker back on the screen?

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #568

        A great piece from a manufacturer with experience here and in China. An excerpt:

        To start manufacturing in the United States, a company needs to make a large investment. They will need to buy new machinery and if no existing building is suitable, they will need to construct a new building. These things cost money, a lot, in fact. And significantly more in the USA, than they do in other countries. In exchange for this risk, there must be some reward. If that reward is uncertain, no one will do it.

        Within the past month, the president put a 25% tariff on Mexico, and then got rid of it, only to apply it again, and then get rid of it a second time. Then, last week, he was expected to apply new tariffs to Mexico, but didn’t.

        If you’re building a new factory in the United States, your investment will alternate between maybe it will work, and catastrophic loss according to which way the tariffs and the wind blows. No one is building factories right now, and no one is renting them, because there is no certainty that any of these tariffs will last. How do I know? I built a factory in Austin, Texas in an industrial area. I cut its rent 40% two weeks ago and I can’t get a lick of interest from industrial renters.

        The tariffs have frozen business activity because no one wants to take a big risk dependent on a policy that may change next week.

        Even further, the tariffs are confusing, poorly communicated, and complex. Today, if you want to import something from China, you need to add the original import duty, plus a 20% “fentanyl tariff”, plus a 34% “reciprocal tariff”, and an additional 25% “Venezuelan oil” tariff, should it be determined that China is buying Venezualan oil. The problem is there is no list of countries which are importing Venezuelan oil provided by the White House, so you don’t know if you do or don’t need to add that 25% and you also don’t know when any of these tariffs will go into effect because of unclear language.

        As such, you can’t calculate your costs, either with certainty or accuracy, therefore, not only do you not build a factory in the United States, you cease all business activity, the type of thing that can cause a recession, if not worse.

        For the past month, as someone who runs a business in this industry, I have spent a huge portion of my time just trying to keep up with the constant changes, instead of running my business.

        Whole thing worth a read.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • HoraceH Online
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          Horace
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          #569

          I mean, it's just obvious that that needs to be the perspective of any business.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #570

            A funny:

            This feels different than 2008 because everyone agreed it was bad. You didn't have Hank Paulson on tv saying that owning a house was making you weak and you'll learn to love tent life.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #571

              Trump admin expected to impose large fees on Chinese ships. A guy in logistics describes how that will effect smaller ports like Boston and New Orleans.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                #572

                A lot of right wing guys who spent the last two days telling us most people don’t own stocks and the market isn’t the economy went on to take premature victory laps this morning when the market was up.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • HoraceH Online
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                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by Horace
                  #573

                  Heads they win, tails we lose.

                  The more common strategy is to dismiss anybody who cares as a "wealthy wall streeter". That this is the price we need to pay, for main street.

                  But there are so many people on main street with 401ks, depending on them for their retirements. Not to mention the whole job loss and recession thing, which won't go well for main street either.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    89th
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                    #574

                    More like Pain Street amirite

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                    • HoraceH Online
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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #575

                      Senator Kennedy begs Trump to take deals and end the tariffs:

                      Link to video

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • 89th8 Offline
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                        89th
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                        #576

                        Maybe I'm just not watching the news enough, but I don't have clarity on what the end goal truly is for all of this. Manufacturing back into the USA? Lower tariffs against USA imports in other countries?

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          Maybe I'm just not watching the news enough, but I don't have clarity on what the end goal truly is for all of this. Manufacturing back into the USA? Lower tariffs against USA imports in other countries?

                          HoraceH Online
                          HoraceH Online
                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #577

                          @89th said in Trumpenomics:

                          Maybe I'm just not watching the news enough, but I don't have clarity on what the end goal truly is for all of this. Manufacturing back into the USA? Lower tariffs against USA imports in other countries?

                          Do more manufacturing, and get better trade deals with other countries.

                          I'm sure they'll both happen to some extent, but the cost will be a likely recession, with small and medium sized businesses harmed the most.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Senator Kennedy begs Trump to take deals and end the tariffs:

                            Link to video

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                            #578

                            @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                            Senator Kennedy begs Trump to take deals and end the tariffs:

                            Link to video

                            The comments are disturbing.

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                              Senator Kennedy begs Trump to take deals and end the tariffs:

                              Link to video

                              The comments are disturbing.

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

                              The comments are disturbing.

                              I shouldn't worry, you're sampling a subset of people who feel the best use of their time in contributing to this debate is to post remarks on YouTube.

                              I was only joking

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

                                The comments are disturbing.

                                I shouldn't worry, you're sampling a subset of people who feel the best use of their time in contributing to this debate is to post remarks on YouTube.

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                                Jolly
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                                #580

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trumpenomics:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

                                The comments are disturbing.

                                I shouldn't worry, you're sampling a subset of people who feel the best use of their time in contributing to this debate is to post remarks on YouTube.

                                At times, your hatred of all things political causes you to descend into absolute stupid supposed witicisms. Do you know John Kennedy? Ever sat across the room from him and listened to him work a meeting? Ever watch him go through a financial spreadsheet?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trumpenomics:

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

                                  The comments are disturbing.

                                  I shouldn't worry, you're sampling a subset of people who feel the best use of their time in contributing to this debate is to post remarks on YouTube.

                                  At times, your hatred of all things political causes you to descend into absolute stupid supposed witicisms. Do you know John Kennedy? Ever sat across the room from him and listened to him work a meeting? Ever watch him go through a financial spreadsheet?

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #581

                                  @Jolly said in Trumpenomics:

                                  At times, your hatred of all things political causes you to descend into absolute stupid supposed witicisms. Do you know John Kennedy? Ever sat across the room from him and listened to him work a meeting? Ever watch him go through a financial spreadsheet?

                                  I wasn't commenting on Kennedy's speech in any way, shape or form. I was commenting on the YouTube comments to it, which I believe is what LD was referring to.

                                  Do try and keep up.

                                  And if you're going to call me stupid, at least check your spelling first 😛

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
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                                    #582

                                    Here, enjoy somebody who is actually witty...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • jon-nycJ Online
                                      jon-nycJ Online
                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #583

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        Senator Kennedy begs Trump to take deals and end the tariffs:

                                        Link to video

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                                        Renauda
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                                        #584

                                        @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                                        Senator Kennedy begs Trump to take deals and end the tariffs:

                                        I more or less like what the good senator is at pains to portray. Whether I believe it is practical is another matter given the mercurial character of the current Oval Office demogogue. As such, I think Kennedy’s noble quest is futile and amounts to little more than trying to make candy from a turd.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #585

                                          Ackmam shares some emails he’s getting from small businesses he invests in.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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