Trumpenomics
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I don't see any good end to the tariffs other than better trade agreements, after which the tariffs go away. Trump presents them as a good thing in and of themselves, but at best they seem to be a stick to inflict pain on ourselves and others, with others being hit harder. The jobs that come into America will be anti-competitive, and will raise prices. A car built by Americans getting paid American wages will not be profitable at the current prices, even without tariffs. Same goes for any product built using cheap labor.
I guess there's an argument to be made about how inhumane all that cheap labor was. I don't suppose that argument is being made now, though there used to be murmurs of it from the left.
@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
I don't see any good end to the tariffs other than better trade agreements, after which the tariffs go away. Trump presents them as a good thing in and of themselves, but at best they seem to be a stick to inflict pain on ourselves and others, with others being hit harder. The jobs that come into America will be anti-competitive, and will raise prices. A car built by Americans getting paid American wages will not be profitable at the current prices, even without tariffs. Same goes for any product built using cheap labor.
I guess there's an argument to be made about how inhumane all that cheap labor was. I don't suppose that argument is being made now, though there used to be murmurs of it from the left.
If you play out the long game. Countries with no trade barriers will eventually overtake you in terms of making things in a cheaper way. Then you’ll have to put more tariffs on to protect yourself from their output.
We did tariffs for hundreds of years before we didn’t.
I’m on board with tariffs against countries that are doing predatory investments to shake out the market (eg China). But even then… there’s massive benefits to the consumers of other countries that get subsidized goods.
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@jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:
Heritage Foundation (Project 2025 authors) are now retconning previous papers about tariffs.
But there are still some articles up. So maybe only that one guy.
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/do-no-harm-tariffs-and-quotas-hurt-the-homeland
Tariffs are taxes on Americans, and quotas cut businesses off from valuable goods that provide Americans with more choice.
Imports are integral to the competitiveness of domestic producers—and increasing their prices or limiting imports hurts Americans.
Both tariffs and quotas decrease freedom, disrupt supply chains, and artificially change prices.
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I’ve heard people say it’s all about confidence and optimism.
Perhaps investors think Trump doesn’t have the right temperament this time around.
Or maybe it’ll be fine tomorrow… who knows.
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Every tariff discussion should be grounded in two key numbers: 50 and 33
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in one key question.
Does this tariff help in the coming war against China?
Lose that war, and the rest of this doesn't matter.
@Copper said in Trumpenomics:
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in two key numbers: 50 and 33
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in one key question.
Does this tariff help in the coming war against China?
Lose that war, and the rest of this doesn't matter.
Then if that is the parallel world you live in, MAGAt USA should immediately stop shitting on its friends and allies with punitive sanctions disguised as tariffs, and extortionist threats. Would help too to your perfidious demagogue president would stop licking Putin’s ass.
My next elbow will be a hell of lot harder if you come back at me with your usual disingeuous and passive aggressive snark
Elbows up!
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@Copper said in Trumpenomics:
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in two key numbers: 50 and 33
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in one key question.
Does this tariff help in the coming war against China?
Lose that war, and the rest of this doesn't matter.
Then if that is the parallel world you live in, MAGAt USA should immediately stop shitting on its friends and allies with punitive sanctions disguised as tariffs, and extortionist threats. Would help too to your perfidious demagogue president would stop licking Putin’s ass.
My next elbow will be a hell of lot harder if you come back at me with your usual disingeuous and passive aggressive snark
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@Copper said in Trumpenomics:
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in two key numbers: 50 and 33
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in one key question.
Does this tariff help in the coming war against China?
Lose that war, and the rest of this doesn't matter.
Then if that is the parallel world you live in, MAGAt USA should immediately stop shitting on its friends and allies with punitive sanctions disguised as tariffs, and extortionist threats. Would help too to your perfidious demagogue president would stop licking Putin’s ass.
My next elbow will be a hell of lot harder if you come back at me with your usual disingeuous and passive aggressive snark
@Renauda said in Trumpenomics:
@Copper said in Trumpenomics:
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in two key numbers: 50 and 33
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in one key question.
Does this tariff help in the coming war against China?
Lose that war, and the rest of this doesn't matter.
Then if that is the parallel world you live in, MAGAt USA should immediately stop shitting on its friends and allies with punitive sanctions disguised as tariffs, and extortionist threats. Would help too to your perfidious demagogue president would stop licking Putin’s ass.
My next elbow will be a hell of lot harder if you come back at me with your usual disingeuous and passive aggressive snark
You don't seem to be a friend.
Check your spelling.
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@Horace said in Trumpenomics:
The stock market continues to hemorrhage bigly.
Maybe it's all a cunning plan to make TruthSocial look more appealing than nVidia.
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@Renauda said in Trumpenomics:
@Copper said in Trumpenomics:
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in two key numbers: 50 and 33
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in one key question.
Does this tariff help in the coming war against China?
Lose that war, and the rest of this doesn't matter.
Then if that is the parallel world you live in, MAGAt USA should immediately stop shitting on its friends and allies with punitive sanctions disguised as tariffs, and extortionist threats. Would help too to your perfidious demagogue president would stop licking Putin’s ass.
My next elbow will be a hell of lot harder if you come back at me with your usual disingeuous and passive aggressive snark
You don't seem to be a friend.
Check your spelling.
@Copper said in Trumpenomics:
@Renauda said in Trumpenomics:
@Copper said in Trumpenomics:
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in two key numbers: 50 and 33
Every tariff discussion should be grounded in one key question.
Does this tariff help in the coming war against China?
Lose that war, and the rest of this doesn't matter.
Then if that is the parallel world you live in, MAGAt USA should immediately stop shitting on its friends and allies with punitive sanctions disguised as tariffs, and extortionist threats. Would help too to your perfidious demagogue president would stop licking Putin’s ass.
My next elbow will be a hell of lot harder if you come back at me with your usual disingeuous and passive aggressive snark
You don't seem to be a friend.
You’re right, I am not your friend and, by the way, your disingenuous head is still up your arse.
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I’ve heard people say it’s all about confidence and optimism.
Perhaps investors think Trump doesn’t have the right temperament this time around.
Or maybe it’ll be fine tomorrow… who knows.
@xenon said in Trumpenomics:
I’ve heard people say it’s all about confidence and optimism.
Perhaps investors think Trump doesn’t have the right temperament this time around.
Or maybe it’ll be fine tomorrow… who knows.
I have confidence and optimism that Trump will pivot if it looks like the market will continue to plummet…
