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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #13
    1. I'm pretty sure they know. I'm also pretty sure they knew the bomb was inert.
    2. If plainclothes officers were present (and you admit they were), why did they not try to stop the riot?
    3. I think ipso defacto on that one.
    4. How many BLM and Antifa rioters were held in jail for months without bail before their trials?
      Furthermore, how many BLM or Antifa members received sentences like these:
      Enrique Tarrio: 22 years

    Tarrio, former chair of the Proud Boys, was sentenced to 22 years in prison. Prosecutors had asked for 33 years. Tarrio was not at the Capitol on January 6th

    Stewart Rhodes: 18 years

    Kelly Meggs: 12 years

    Joe Biggs: 17 years. Prosecutors had asked for a 33-year sentence.

    Zach Rehl: 15 years.

    Peter Schwartz: 14 years

    Daniel “D.J.” Rodriguez: 12

    Dominic Pezzola: 10 years

    Thomas Webster: 10 years

    None of these guys are choir boys. Some are guilty of assaulting a police officer. What was the average sentence in the Portland riots for assaulting a police officer?I

    1. The committee was never about fact-finding. It was all about "getting" Trump. I think the nation has already passed judgement on that one.

    2. Do better. Even an idiot can figure that one out.

    3. For a committee dedicated to sunlight and the rule of law, secret testimony doesn't quite jibe.

    4. Maybe you need to pay more attention. In a courtroom that's called witness tampering.

    5. It's sworn testimony. I do think they put people in jail for contempt of Congress.

    6. Video was destroyed, but transcripts were kept. Convenient, eh?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      You're right, I'm wrong. I should probably read redstate more.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        I don't think you're wrong as much as you are naive.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          89th
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          Perhaps. Generally speaking I default to trusting the government and law enforcement. Nearly any controversial video that comes out (BLM riots, Kyle Rittenhouse, George Floyd, Daunte Wright, Breonna Taylor, J6 assault, etc.) I find myself on the side of the cops. And the few FBI friends I know do a heck of a job (although they mostly work counterterrorism for a geographic region) but if asked to investigate the Capitol attack, they would've. The idea that they'd be fired for that is concerning to say the least.

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            I never entirely trust government and as much as I do support law enforcement, some of the most corrupt people I know are cops.

            It's usually not all black or all white.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Yep. There are a lot of compromises made for 'the greater good', and some simply from avarice.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                When I hear that the January 6 cases were rigged/excessive charges/sentences, etc. I remember a statistic that something like 58% of the judges involved in the cases were appointed by a Republican president and of that 58%, a significant portion were appointed by President Trump.

                If all the cases were heard by one judge, then yeah, maybe there is an argument. But, when many many different judges heard the cases and they all came to the same conclusion tells me that there was no conspiracy, etc.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Judges don't have nearly the discretion that prosecutors do. Look to the prosecutors for the extraordinary or unfair motivations.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    I dont know law at all, but my (very weak) understanding is that they can "steer" the direction of the trial. At least, that is the impression I got with some of the recent trails involving President Trump. One side claims this judge is too biased against him. Another trial, the other side claims the judge is too biased for him.

                    But again, I am not a judge (and dont even play on on TV). LOL

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                      When I hear that the January 6 cases were rigged/excessive charges/sentences, etc. I remember a statistic that something like 58% of the judges involved in the cases were appointed by a Republican president and of that 58%, a significant portion were appointed by President Trump.

                      If all the cases were heard by one judge, then yeah, maybe there is an argument. But, when many many different judges heard the cases and they all came to the same conclusion tells me that there was no conspiracy, etc.

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                      @taiwan_girl said in You're fired...:

                      When I hear that the January 6 cases were rigged/excessive charges/sentences, etc. I remember a statistic that something like 58% of the judges involved in the cases were appointed by a Republican president and of that 58%, a significant portion were appointed by President Trump.

                      If all the cases were heard by one judge, then yeah, maybe there is an argument. But, when many many different judges heard the cases and they all came to the same conclusion tells me that there was no conspiracy, etc.

                      Yeah, it's relatively simple. The Orange Man got his followers to believe the election fraud hoax (if I believed it, I'd be pissed too) and they moved the protest towards the Capitol, which is natural since that's where the certification process was taking place. Once the crowd realized they easily could move beyond the police barricades, inertia took over. Most folks were peaceful, some took it too far and committed unacceptable crimes.

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                        Whether to prosecute and what charges to bring is the bulk of discretion involved. Judges get a lot of attention for their alleged bias, but at least what they do is public and transparent. Not so, the discretion exercised by prosecutors.

                        Education is extremely important.

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