You're fired...
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@Jolly said in You're fired...:
I also have confidence that no matter what Trump does, you will find fault with it.
No way. I’m all about facts and logic, I’d react this way about Milley or Jan 6 or Afghanistan withdrawal or any number of issues whether it was Trump or Biden or anyone else. Thats the key!
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@Jolly said in You're fired...:
I also have confidence that no matter what Trump does, you will find fault with it.
No way. I’m all about facts and logic, I’d react this way about Milley or Jan 6 or Afghanistan withdrawal or any number of issues whether it was Trump or Biden or anyone else. Thats the key!
@89th said in You're fired...:
@Jolly said in You're fired...:
I also have confidence that no matter what Trump does, you will find fault with it.
No way. I’m all about facts and logic, I’d react this way about Milley or Jan 6 or Afghanistan withdrawal or any number of issues whether it was Trump or Biden or anyone else. Thats the key!
No, you're about what you believe and what you have faith in. You then bend your facts to fit your bias.
It's a common affliction of man.
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The idea that the Jan 6 investigation will be whether the government has anything to do with it vs the actually people who did it, speaks volumes. And yes the government was involved, the President was instigating it!
@89th said in You're fired...:
The idea that the Jan 6 investigation will be whether the government has anything to do with it vs the actually people who did it, speaks volumes. And yes the government was involved, the President was instigating it!
And I offer this as evidence. You made up your mind, that's your story and you're sticking to it.
The things you don't give a damn about:
- Who planted the bomb and why were they never arrested?
- Where there plainclothes government agents mixed with the crowd and did any of them help foment the riot?
- Were many January 6 defendants overcharged and/or oversentenced?
- Were BLM and Antifa rioters given a pass, while the book was thrown at the Jan 6 rioters?
- Was the Jan 6 committee hand-picked for a predetermined outcome?
- Why did the Jan 6 committee hire professional producers to choreograph the hearing.
- Why were many witnesses deposed in the basement of the Capitol behind closed doirs?
- Why were witnesses contacted before the hearing and coached?
- Why were easily verifiable lies allowed to stand as sworn testimony in the committee?
- Why did the committee destroy evidence?
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@89th said in You're fired...:
The idea that the Jan 6 investigation will be whether the government has anything to do with it vs the actually people who did it, speaks volumes. And yes the government was involved, the President was instigating it!
And I offer this as evidence. You made up your mind, that's your story and you're sticking to it.
The things you don't give a damn about:
- Who planted the bomb and why were they never arrested?
- Where there plainclothes government agents mixed with the crowd and did any of them help foment the riot?
- Were many January 6 defendants overcharged and/or oversentenced?
- Were BLM and Antifa rioters given a pass, while the book was thrown at the Jan 6 rioters?
- Was the Jan 6 committee hand-picked for a predetermined outcome?
- Why did the Jan 6 committee hire professional producers to choreograph the hearing.
- Why were many witnesses deposed in the basement of the Capitol behind closed doirs?
- Why were witnesses contacted before the hearing and coached?
- Why were easily verifiable lies allowed to stand as sworn testimony in the committee?
- Why did the committee destroy evidence?
@Jolly said in You're fired...:
@89th said in You're fired...:
The idea that the Jan 6 investigation will be whether the government has anything to do with it vs the actually people who did it, speaks volumes. And yes the government was involved, the President was instigating it!
And I offer this as evidence. You made up your mind, that's your story and you're sticking to it.
The things you don't give a damn about:
- Who planted the bomb and why were they never arrested?
Would love to know. Seems like the suspect was able to avoid leaving any evidence as to their identity.
- Where there plainclothes government agents mixed with the crowd and did any of them help foment the riot?
Yes there were plainclothes FBI agents there (I had a friend there), and none helped foment the riot.
- Were many January 6 defendants overcharged and/or oversentenced?
Yes, but as you like to say, FAFO. I'd be happy with a review of sentences to make sure they are not cruel or unusual, but it's moot since Trump let all of them, including the worst of the criminals, out with a free pass and a virtual handshake.
- Were BLM and Antifa rioters given a pass, while the book was thrown at the Jan 6 rioters?
No
- Was the Jan 6 committee hand-picked for a predetermined outcome?
Partially. They wanted to get a clear historical record and wanted bipartisan composition, but also knew the evidence would not be kind to Trump so they formed the committee with glee, I'm sure.
- Why did the Jan 6 committee hire professional producers to choreograph the hearing.
Because the public can't watch 10,000 hours of raw CCTV footage.
- Why were many witnesses deposed in the basement of the Capitol behind closed doirs?
Sensitive information. Same reason there are closed doors intel committee briefings.
- Why were witnesses contacted before the hearing and coached?
Not sure, I didn't watch that closely
- Why were easily verifiable lies allowed to stand as sworn testimony in the committee?
Not a court room
- Why did the committee destroy evidence?
They didn't. They wanted text messages from secret service, but they were gone as part of a normal device swap program before they had been asked for it.
Answers above.
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- I'm pretty sure they know. I'm also pretty sure they knew the bomb was inert.
- If plainclothes officers were present (and you admit they were), why did they not try to stop the riot?
- I think ipso defacto on that one.
- How many BLM and Antifa rioters were held in jail for months without bail before their trials?
Furthermore, how many BLM or Antifa members received sentences like these:
Enrique Tarrio: 22 years
Tarrio, former chair of the Proud Boys, was sentenced to 22 years in prison. Prosecutors had asked for 33 years. Tarrio was not at the Capitol on January 6th
Stewart Rhodes: 18 years
Kelly Meggs: 12 years
Joe Biggs: 17 years. Prosecutors had asked for a 33-year sentence.
Zach Rehl: 15 years.
Peter Schwartz: 14 years
Daniel “D.J.” Rodriguez: 12
Dominic Pezzola: 10 years
Thomas Webster: 10 years
None of these guys are choir boys. Some are guilty of assaulting a police officer. What was the average sentence in the Portland riots for assaulting a police officer?I
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The committee was never about fact-finding. It was all about "getting" Trump. I think the nation has already passed judgement on that one.
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Do better. Even an idiot can figure that one out.
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For a committee dedicated to sunlight and the rule of law, secret testimony doesn't quite jibe.
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Maybe you need to pay more attention. In a courtroom that's called witness tampering.
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It's sworn testimony. I do think they put people in jail for contempt of Congress.
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Video was destroyed, but transcripts were kept. Convenient, eh?
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Perhaps. Generally speaking I default to trusting the government and law enforcement. Nearly any controversial video that comes out (BLM riots, Kyle Rittenhouse, George Floyd, Daunte Wright, Breonna Taylor, J6 assault, etc.) I find myself on the side of the cops. And the few FBI friends I know do a heck of a job (although they mostly work counterterrorism for a geographic region) but if asked to investigate the Capitol attack, they would've. The idea that they'd be fired for that is concerning to say the least.
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When I hear that the January 6 cases were rigged/excessive charges/sentences, etc. I remember a statistic that something like 58% of the judges involved in the cases were appointed by a Republican president and of that 58%, a significant portion were appointed by President Trump.
If all the cases were heard by one judge, then yeah, maybe there is an argument. But, when many many different judges heard the cases and they all came to the same conclusion tells me that there was no conspiracy, etc.
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I dont know law at all, but my (very weak) understanding is that they can "steer" the direction of the trial. At least, that is the impression I got with some of the recent trails involving President Trump. One side claims this judge is too biased against him. Another trial, the other side claims the judge is too biased for him.
But again, I am not a judge (and dont even play on on TV). LOL
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When I hear that the January 6 cases were rigged/excessive charges/sentences, etc. I remember a statistic that something like 58% of the judges involved in the cases were appointed by a Republican president and of that 58%, a significant portion were appointed by President Trump.
If all the cases were heard by one judge, then yeah, maybe there is an argument. But, when many many different judges heard the cases and they all came to the same conclusion tells me that there was no conspiracy, etc.
@taiwan_girl said in You're fired...:
When I hear that the January 6 cases were rigged/excessive charges/sentences, etc. I remember a statistic that something like 58% of the judges involved in the cases were appointed by a Republican president and of that 58%, a significant portion were appointed by President Trump.
If all the cases were heard by one judge, then yeah, maybe there is an argument. But, when many many different judges heard the cases and they all came to the same conclusion tells me that there was no conspiracy, etc.
Yeah, it's relatively simple. The Orange Man got his followers to believe the election fraud hoax (if I believed it, I'd be pissed too) and they moved the protest towards the Capitol, which is natural since that's where the certification process was taking place. Once the crowd realized they easily could move beyond the police barricades, inertia took over. Most folks were peaceful, some took it too far and committed unacceptable crimes.
