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1% vs 24%

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    Increase in overall book sales in 2024 America vs. increase in Bible sales.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Aqua Letifer
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      #2

      The first has a lot to do with the decline of gatekeeping institutions. They're addicted to performance marketing. With a lot of publishers, they won't even talk to an author unless they have about 10k followers on a platform. (Which of course begs the question what the hell the would-be author needs the publisher for if they already have a fan base.) Like the music and entertainment industries, they're circling the drain because they have no idea how to foster up-and-comers like they used to. What they keep doubling down on is celebrity books. Which can't hold a candle to, say, another Rowling. But they don't know how to find that person.

      As to the second, no idea.

      Please love yourself.

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        #3

        Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

        How much of that increase is due to a popular grifter selling one for $100?

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

          How much of that increase is due to a popular grifter selling one for $100?

          Doctor PhibesD Online
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          Doctor Phibes
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          #4

          @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

          Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

          It appears to be volume.

          https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

          I was only joking

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #5

            I pulled the stat from a Baptist Message article. I took it to be volume.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              taiwan_girl
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              #6

              I think that for sure, general reading is down overall, which is unfortunate. Too much "competition" for time among people.

              People spend X hours per day on social media, video games, etc. which years ago, some of it would have been reading.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                It appears to be volume.

                https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

                89th8 Offline
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                @Doctor-Phibes said in 1% vs 24%:

                @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                It appears to be volume.

                https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

                From the article:

                The WSJ crunched the numbers and found Bible sales increased from 9.7 million in 2019 to 14.2 million in 2023. In the first 10 months of 2024, 13.7 million copies were sold, with still two months left to count.

                Maybe it's seeing the candidates being Biden, Trump, and Kamala are making folks look for a higher power to save them? Or Gen Z is just naturally being more interested in religion... it seems generations are on a pendulum in terms of fashion, religion, social media... Maybe Generation Alpha will save us all.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  It's an old joke that The Bible is the most purchased and least read book in history.

                  I was only joking

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                    How much of that increase is due to a popular grifter selling one for $100?

                    MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                    Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                    How much of that increase is due to a popular grifter selling one for $100?

                    Do you let him color all your thinking? Between this and the crash thread it would seem all your roads lead to Trump.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in 1% vs 24%:

                      @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                      Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                      It appears to be volume.

                      https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

                      From the article:

                      The WSJ crunched the numbers and found Bible sales increased from 9.7 million in 2019 to 14.2 million in 2023. In the first 10 months of 2024, 13.7 million copies were sold, with still two months left to count.

                      Maybe it's seeing the candidates being Biden, Trump, and Kamala are making folks look for a higher power to save them? Or Gen Z is just naturally being more interested in religion... it seems generations are on a pendulum in terms of fashion, religion, social media... Maybe Generation Alpha will save us all.

                      MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      #10

                      @89th said in 1% vs 24%:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in 1% vs 24%:

                      @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                      Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                      It appears to be volume.

                      https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

                      From the article:

                      The WSJ crunched the numbers and found Bible sales increased from 9.7 million in 2019 to 14.2 million in 2023. In the first 10 months of 2024, 13.7 million copies were sold, with still two months left to count.

                      Maybe it's seeing the candidates being Biden, Trump, and Kamala are making folks look for a higher power to save them? Or Gen Z is just naturally being more interested in religion... it seems generations are on a pendulum in terms of fashion, religion, social media... Maybe Generation Alpha will save us all.

                      Good observation. The pendulum seems to apply to pretty much everything. I could imagine that the isolation of modern life could drive younger folks to find something a bit more personal and uplifting.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                        Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                        How much of that increase is due to a popular grifter selling one for $100?

                        Do you let him color all your thinking? Between this and the crash thread it would seem all your roads lead to Trump.

                        89th8 Offline
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                        89th
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                        #11

                        @Mik said in 1% vs 24%:

                        @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                        Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                        How much of that increase is due to a popular grifter selling one for $100?

                        Do you let him color all your thinking? Between this and the crash thread it would seem all your roads lead to Trump.

                        Well the crash thread is simply a reaction of our President spouting off nonsense about a crash he doesn't really know about. But we know the man likes to talk and make shit up on the fly, it's just insanely inappropriate is all.

                        For this, my first thought was wondering how many of the offensive Trump Bibles sold since that was the big bible news story in the last year or two. I couldn't find a number, but I'd imagine it was a couple hundred thousand, which adds to but doesn't make up most of these new bible sales.

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          The initial comments had nothing to do with Trump's unfortunate utterances.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • 89th8 Offline
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                            89th
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                            #13

                            I mean, Jon made one DoD joke, but otherwise the first time Trump was brought in was post 42 when I remarked about how false/dumb his tweet was. Which it was.

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                              #14

                              It seems to me when Trump says something really stupid that makes the news and is all over social media and we comment on it that’s not us living on the highway to Trump. That’s responding to events.

                              Also my heavily recycled formulaic joke which has been told by easily half a dozen people here mentioned Hegseth not Trump.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
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                                #15

                                Would interesting to break down the which additions of the Bible make up that 24%. One would hope that the Christian Evangelical preferred editions and versions, such as The Good News Bible are the least popular.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • 89th8 Offline
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                                  89th
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                                  I've done some searching but can only find the concept that "Circana Report" provided the data to WSJ and all the other outlets summarizing the findings. I guess if you have a subscription to Circana you can get the details?

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                                    Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                                    How much of that increase is due to a popular grifter selling one for $100?

                                    Do you let him color all your thinking? Between this and the crash thread it would seem all your roads lead to Trump.

                                    JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    @Mik said in 1% vs 24%:

                                    @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                                    Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                                    How much of that increase is due to a popular grifter selling one for $100?

                                    Do you let him color all your thinking? Between this and the crash thread it would seem all your roads lead to Trump.

                                    Rent free.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in 1% vs 24%:

                                      @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                                      Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                                      It appears to be volume.

                                      https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

                                      From the article:

                                      The WSJ crunched the numbers and found Bible sales increased from 9.7 million in 2019 to 14.2 million in 2023. In the first 10 months of 2024, 13.7 million copies were sold, with still two months left to count.

                                      Maybe it's seeing the candidates being Biden, Trump, and Kamala are making folks look for a higher power to save them? Or Gen Z is just naturally being more interested in religion... it seems generations are on a pendulum in terms of fashion, religion, social media... Maybe Generation Alpha will save us all.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #18

                                      @89th said in 1% vs 24%:

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in 1% vs 24%:

                                      @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                                      Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                                      It appears to be volume.

                                      https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

                                      From the article:

                                      The WSJ crunched the numbers and found Bible sales increased from 9.7 million in 2019 to 14.2 million in 2023. In the first 10 months of 2024, 13.7 million copies were sold, with still two months left to count.

                                      Maybe it's seeing the candidates being Biden, Trump, and Kamala are making folks look for a higher power to save them? Or Gen Z is just naturally being more interested in religion... it seems generations are on a pendulum in terms of fashion, religion, social media... Maybe Generation Alpha will save us all.

                                      That might be a bit shallow. I prefer to think that young people are searching for answers and a way to live a better life.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @89th said in 1% vs 24%:

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in 1% vs 24%:

                                        @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                                        Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                                        It appears to be volume.

                                        https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

                                        From the article:

                                        The WSJ crunched the numbers and found Bible sales increased from 9.7 million in 2019 to 14.2 million in 2023. In the first 10 months of 2024, 13.7 million copies were sold, with still two months left to count.

                                        Maybe it's seeing the candidates being Biden, Trump, and Kamala are making folks look for a higher power to save them? Or Gen Z is just naturally being more interested in religion... it seems generations are on a pendulum in terms of fashion, religion, social media... Maybe Generation Alpha will save us all.

                                        That might be a bit shallow. I prefer to think that young people are searching for answers and a way to live a better life.

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                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        @Jolly said in 1% vs 24%:

                                        @89th said in 1% vs 24%:

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in 1% vs 24%:

                                        @jon-nyc said in 1% vs 24%:

                                        Volume increase or $$$? (My guess the latter)

                                        It appears to be volume.

                                        https://cbn.com/news/us/bible-sales-are-skyrocketing-whats-going. (I linked to this site, as I don't have access to the WSJ which is where I believe the data comes from).

                                        From the article:

                                        The WSJ crunched the numbers and found Bible sales increased from 9.7 million in 2019 to 14.2 million in 2023. In the first 10 months of 2024, 13.7 million copies were sold, with still two months left to count.

                                        Maybe it's seeing the candidates being Biden, Trump, and Kamala are making folks look for a higher power to save them? Or Gen Z is just naturally being more interested in religion... it seems generations are on a pendulum in terms of fashion, religion, social media... Maybe Generation Alpha will save us all.

                                        That might be a bit shallow. I prefer to think that young people are searching for answers and a way to live a better life.

                                        When I taught in Oz, all the ABC kids wanted to talk about was Chinese history. All the time. And it was because their parents never talked about it.

                                        Could be a similar phenomenon. Religion isn't exactly a staple of modern life for many folks today, but it's out there, and so maybe the kids grew up and got curious.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                          The man-o-sphere has made inroads into making religion socially acceptable or encouraged.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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