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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    A trillion here, a trillion there...

    https://prospect.org/economy/2025-01-27-we-found-the-2-trillion-elon-musk-doge/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      89th
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      Good, interesting article. It underscores that the war on federal employees (of which there are many doing great jobs, but also many doing jack shit) doesn't really have an impact. I loved the phrase "the federal government is just a medical insurance company with an army".

      Here's the chart in the article btw. Not sure how this would impact individuals, but it's a roadmap of sorts. What they really need to do is pass a 20-year plan to reduce spending, deficit, and debt. Minimize impact but get on a trajectory for fiscal health.

      image.png

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      • MikM Offline
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        The idea of getting the voting public informed on how their government really works is probably the most interesting part. Federal procurement processes, meant to be impartial, are anything but. Revenue sharing just means that, like it used to be in Ohio, localities are living off OPM. Your citizens want to be a municipality? Cough up locally. If you can't support it locally it needs to be folded in to a larger entity.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          Trump's administrations have been nothing if not educational for the public. One of the benefits of turning it into must-see reality TV.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • 89th8 89th

            Good, interesting article. It underscores that the war on federal employees (of which there are many doing great jobs, but also many doing jack shit) doesn't really have an impact. I loved the phrase "the federal government is just a medical insurance company with an army".

            Here's the chart in the article btw. Not sure how this would impact individuals, but it's a roadmap of sorts. What they really need to do is pass a 20-year plan to reduce spending, deficit, and debt. Minimize impact but get on a trajectory for fiscal health.

            image.png

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            @89th said in A different perspective...:

            Good, interesting article. It underscores that the war on federal employees (of which there are many doing great jobs, but also many doing jack shit) doesn't really have an impact. I loved the phrase "the federal government is just a medical insurance company with an army".

            Here's the chart in the article btw. Not sure how this would impact individuals, but it's a roadmap of sorts. What they really need to do is pass a 20-year plan to reduce spending, deficit, and debt. Minimize impact but get on a trajectory for fiscal health.

            image.png

            A few comments. ...

            1. I think we can cut the Federal workforce by 10-15% and it wouldn't be noticeable. But that means we have to take a very hard look at responsibilities and overlap of services.
            2. Medicare Advantage needs reform. It's great for some people, but all the eye candy is simply marketing. They're really just HMOs, so educate the public into thinking of them as such. TINSTAAFL.
            3. The Social Security cap has to go.

            More to come...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              It’s pretty simple. The Federal budget needs to be set at a percentage of GDP. Any deficit spending requires equivalent cuts elsewhere OR congressional approval.

              The Brad

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #7

                Medicare physician reimbursement has not kept up with inflation in more than 20 years. What does line 2 propose to do?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • 89th8 89th

                  Good, interesting article. It underscores that the war on federal employees (of which there are many doing great jobs, but also many doing jack shit) doesn't really have an impact. I loved the phrase "the federal government is just a medical insurance company with an army".

                  Here's the chart in the article btw. Not sure how this would impact individuals, but it's a roadmap of sorts. What they really need to do is pass a 20-year plan to reduce spending, deficit, and debt. Minimize impact but get on a trajectory for fiscal health.

                  image.png

                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                  @89th said in A different perspective...:

                  there are many doing great jobs, but also many doing jack shit

                  That's Congressman Jack Shit to you!

                  I was only joking

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                  • George KG George K

                    Medicare physician reimbursement has not kept up with inflation in more than 20 years. What does line 2 propose to do?

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    @George-K said in A different perspective...:

                    Medicare physician reimbursement has not kept up with inflation in more than 20 years. What does line 2 propose to do?

                    Let veterinarians start treating people

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • AxtremusA Away
                      AxtremusA Away
                      Axtremus
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                      #10

                      "Pay corporate taxes in stock"?

                      Great opportunity for shenanigans!

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        It’s pretty simple. The Federal budget needs to be set at a percentage of GDP. Any deficit spending requires equivalent cuts elsewhere OR congressional approval.

                        AxtremusA Away
                        AxtremusA Away
                        Axtremus
                        wrote on last edited by
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                        @LuFins-Dad said in A different perspective...:

                        The Federal budget needs to be set at a percentage of GDP.

                        There goes Keynesian economics and the nearly century of stability and prosperity that come with it.

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @LuFins-Dad said in A different perspective...:

                          The Federal budget needs to be set at a percentage of GDP.

                          There goes Keynesian economics and the nearly century of stability and prosperity that come with it.

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                          @Axtremus said in A different perspective...:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in A different perspective...:

                          The Federal budget needs to be set at a percentage of GDP.

                          There goes Keynesian economics and the nearly century of stability and prosperity that come with it.

                          Forgot about the deficit?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            "Pay corporate taxes in stock"?

                            Great opportunity for shenanigans!

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                            #13

                            @Axtremus said in A different perspective...:

                            "Pay corporate taxes in stock"?

                            Great opportunity for shenanigans!

                            Yeah, I’d put my money on that stock no matter on what bourse it trades.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • 89th8 89th

                              Good, interesting article. It underscores that the war on federal employees (of which there are many doing great jobs, but also many doing jack shit) doesn't really have an impact. I loved the phrase "the federal government is just a medical insurance company with an army".

                              Here's the chart in the article btw. Not sure how this would impact individuals, but it's a roadmap of sorts. What they really need to do is pass a 20-year plan to reduce spending, deficit, and debt. Minimize impact but get on a trajectory for fiscal health.

                              image.png

                              taiwan_girlT Offline
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                              taiwan_girl
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                              #14

                              @89th said in A different perspective...:

                              What they really need to do is pass a 20-year plan to reduce spending, deficit, and debt.

                              For me, the problem is that most most of the politicians do not want to take a long term viewpoint. They are too worried about the next election. So, while the above makes sense, hard to get them to do it.

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                @89th said in A different perspective...:

                                What they really need to do is pass a 20-year plan to reduce spending, deficit, and debt.

                                For me, the problem is that most most of the politicians do not want to take a long term viewpoint. They are too worried about the next election. So, while the above makes sense, hard to get them to do it.

                                89th8 Offline
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                                89th
                                wrote on last edited by
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                                @taiwan_girl Exactly, the blessing and curse of short terms. This is where I would hope Trump would step up and say "here is a 12 year plan to get our financials in order" (yes that takes it through two terms for Vance).

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