Piano upgrade time
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wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:44 last edited by
Holy guacamole. Prices have really gone up for new pianos.
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I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:46 last edited by@kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:
I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K
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wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:51 last edited by
Can a person buy a new NY Steinway in Italy?
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wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:53 last edited by
I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?
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wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:06 last edited by
@George-K said in Piano upgrade time:
Seilers are made in Indonesia?
The SE278 says Germany - $340,636
Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:13 last edited by
@George-K said in Piano upgrade time:
I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?
There’s the German limited production instruments (150 or so pianos per year), there’s the CNC production models using the German parts (Eduard Series, rated slightly above Yamaha CX and Kawai GX series) and there’s the Johannes Seilers… Indonesian built through and through. Roughly equivalent to the Prambergers and Knabes.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:17 last edited by
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
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@kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:
I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K
wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:59 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Piano upgrade time:
A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K
It was an estate and needed it gone in 4 days.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 06:25 last edited by
https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=58018
1986 SF10, 3 hours drive from me for 18K. Accompanying video here , whaddaya think?
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I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 06:31 last edited by@kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:
I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
I realize it closes the door on many new 7 footers. Boy, a 100K just aint what it used to be lol. I can't get too carried away with how much I would spend as there are other toys to be purchased to make this retirement complete.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 13:06 last edited by
If you can live with "almost new", then 100K should be sufficient for every 7ft piano. Also, you avoid the period with the highest decrease in value that way.
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@George-K said in Piano upgrade time:
Seilers are made in Indonesia?
The SE278 says Germany - $340,636
Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.
wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 13:07 last edited by@Copper said in Piano upgrade time:
@George-K said in Piano upgrade time:
Seilers are made in Indonesia?
The SE278 says Germany - $340,636
Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.
That's a ridiculous price for a Seiler.
I've played many German-made Seilers. Not very special, in my opinion, and certainly not a top-tier instrument.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 14:38 last edited by
What about Sauter Ambiente?
Costs about €92,000 in my neighbourhood (Belgium).
Tried it once at the Frankfurter Messe, really liked it, but way out of my budget .... -
wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 14:44 last edited by
You really have to like the design of the Sauter Ambiente. It's rather different...
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@kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:
I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
I realize it closes the door on many new 7 footers. Boy, a 100K just aint what it used to be lol. I can't get too carried away with how much I would spend as there are other toys to be purchased to make this retirement complete.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 19:08 last edited by@NobodySock Just reading this forum thread!
Very cool journey!! Good luck with the piano search.
But I am probably more interested in your search for a new home in Italy.
A couple of times, I have bought raffle tickets to "win a home" in Italy. Only been to the main cities but would like to visit some of the country side also. So much history and culture.
I think that @bachofile has been there quite a few times?
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 20:11 last edited by
Yea but with me it’s because of family on both sides so I’m there a lot.
And yes the countryside is really wonderful. The small villages. Umbria, Tuscany Piemonte, it’s all so lovely.
Nonetheless have never been south of Pompeii. Calabria, Sicily all unknown to me
Anyway enough about me, back to the big piano search
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The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 20:58 last edited by@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 21:21 last edited by Renauda
Possibly, although I didn’t think of it that way at the time. Still don’t, although it does make good sense to buy quality. I have three or four guitars that should give me my money back and then some when time comes to sell. Beard R and E style resonators and German silver National tricones are a pretty penny nowadays. Especially when they’re in close to immaculate condition like that Petrof was when it was sold.
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@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 21:21 last edited by@Horace said in Piano upgrade time:
@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
Larry was right.
He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.
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@Horace said in Piano upgrade time:
@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
Larry was right.
He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 21:47 last edited by NobodySock@Jolly said in Piano upgrade time:
@Horace said in Piano upgrade time:
@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
Larry was right.
He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.
I have a very decent stage keyboad with my Roland RD2000. It's got a decent touch as digitals go and has been my mainstay board for the rock band for many years. Still, it cannot compare, even connected to the best of speakers to a finely tuned and regulated acoustic for playing. I am sure the more standard upright digitals of today are more impressive than this board, which has over a thousand patches to choose from, but again, the amazing technology of only wood, steel and felt that mankind has brought the pianoforte to today is still the creme de la creme for the discerning buyer. I am still blown away 2 weeks later from that Steinway B. Truly an amazing work of art.
