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    blondie
    wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:44 last edited by
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    Holy guacamole. Prices have really gone up for new pianos.

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    • K kluurs
      19 Jan 2025, 21:10

      I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

      I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

      I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

      As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:46 last edited by
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      @kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:

      I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

      I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

      I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

      As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

      A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K

      The Brad

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        blondie
        wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:51 last edited by
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        Can a person buy a new NY Steinway in Italy?

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          George K
          wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:53 last edited by
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          I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?

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          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            19 Jan 2025, 23:53

            I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?

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            Copper
            wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:06 last edited by
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            @George-K said in Piano upgrade time:

            Seilers are made in Indonesia?

            The SE278 says Germany - $340,636

            Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.

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            • G George K
              19 Jan 2025, 23:53

              I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:13 last edited by
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              @George-K said in Piano upgrade time:

              I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?

              There’s the German limited production instruments (150 or so pianos per year), there’s the CNC production models using the German parts (Eduard Series, rated slightly above Yamaha CX and Kawai GX series) and there’s the Johannes Seilers… Indonesian built through and through. Roughly equivalent to the Prambergers and Knabes.

              The Brad

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                Renauda
                wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:17 last edited by
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                The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.

                Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.

                Elbows up!

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                • L LuFins Dad
                  19 Jan 2025, 23:46

                  @kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:

                  I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                  I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                  I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                  As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

                  A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K

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                  kluurs
                  wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:59 last edited by
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Piano upgrade time:

                  A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K

                  It was an estate and needed it gone in 4 days.

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                    NobodySock
                    wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 06:25 last edited by
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                    https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=58018

                    1986 SF10, 3 hours drive from me for 18K. Accompanying video here , whaddaya think?

                    Link to video

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                    • K kluurs
                      19 Jan 2025, 21:10

                      I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                      I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                      I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                      As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

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                      NobodySock
                      wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 06:31 last edited by
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                      @kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:

                      I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                      I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                      I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                      As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

                      I realize it closes the door on many new 7 footers. Boy, a 100K just aint what it used to be lol. I can't get too carried away with how much I would spend as there are other toys to be purchased to make this retirement complete. ducati.jpg crusier.jpg

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                        Klaus
                        wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 13:06 last edited by
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                        If you can live with "almost new", then 100K should be sufficient for every 7ft piano. Also, you avoid the period with the highest decrease in value that way.

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                        • C Copper
                          20 Jan 2025, 00:06

                          @George-K said in Piano upgrade time:

                          Seilers are made in Indonesia?

                          The SE278 says Germany - $340,636

                          Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.

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                          Klaus
                          wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 13:07 last edited by
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                          @Copper said in Piano upgrade time:

                          @George-K said in Piano upgrade time:

                          Seilers are made in Indonesia?

                          The SE278 says Germany - $340,636

                          Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.

                          That's a ridiculous price for a Seiler.

                          I've played many German-made Seilers. Not very special, in my opinion, and certainly not a top-tier instrument.

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                            Wim
                            wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 14:38 last edited by
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                            What about Sauter Ambiente?
                            Costs about €92,000 in my neighbourhood (Belgium).
                            Tried it once at the Frankfurter Messe, really liked it, but way out of my budget ....

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                              Klaus
                              wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 14:44 last edited by
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                              You really have to like the design of the Sauter Ambiente. It's rather different...

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                              • N NobodySock
                                20 Jan 2025, 06:31

                                @kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:

                                I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                                I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                                I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                                As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

                                I realize it closes the door on many new 7 footers. Boy, a 100K just aint what it used to be lol. I can't get too carried away with how much I would spend as there are other toys to be purchased to make this retirement complete. ducati.jpg crusier.jpg

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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 19:08 last edited by
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                                @NobodySock Just reading this forum thread!

                                Very cool journey!! Good luck with the piano search.

                                But I am probably more interested in your search for a new home in Italy.

                                A couple of times, I have bought raffle tickets to "win a home" in Italy. Only been to the main cities but would like to visit some of the country side also. So much history and culture.

                                I think that @bachofile has been there quite a few times?

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                                  bachophile
                                  wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 20:11 last edited by
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                                  Yea but with me it’s because of family on both sides so I’m there a lot.

                                  And yes the countryside is really wonderful. The small villages. Umbria, Tuscany Piemonte, it’s all so lovely.

                                  Nonetheless have never been south of Pompeii. Calabria, Sicily all unknown to me

                                  Anyway enough about me, back to the big piano search

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                                  • R Renauda
                                    20 Jan 2025, 00:17

                                    The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.

                                    Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 20:58 last edited by
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                                    @Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:

                                    The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.

                                    Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.

                                    The fabled investment piano.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 21:21 last edited by Renauda
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                                      @Horace

                                      Possibly, although I didn’t think of it that way at the time. Still don’t, although it does make good sense to buy quality. I have three or four guitars that should give me my money back and then some when time comes to sell. Beard R and E style resonators and German silver National tricones are a pretty penny nowadays. Especially when they’re in close to immaculate condition like that Petrof was when it was sold.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • H Horace
                                        22 Jan 2025, 20:58

                                        @Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:

                                        The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.

                                        Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.

                                        The fabled investment piano.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 21:21 last edited by
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                                        @Horace said in Piano upgrade time:

                                        @Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:

                                        The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.

                                        Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.

                                        The fabled investment piano.

                                        Larry was right.

                                        He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • J Jolly
                                          22 Jan 2025, 21:21

                                          @Horace said in Piano upgrade time:

                                          @Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:

                                          The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.

                                          Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.

                                          The fabled investment piano.

                                          Larry was right.

                                          He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.

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                                          NobodySock
                                          wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 21:47 last edited by NobodySock
                                          #37

                                          @Jolly said in Piano upgrade time:

                                          @Horace said in Piano upgrade time:

                                          @Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:

                                          The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.

                                          Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.

                                          The fabled investment piano.

                                          Larry was right.

                                          He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.

                                          I have a very decent stage keyboad with my Roland RD2000. It's got a decent touch as digitals go and has been my mainstay board for the rock band for many years. Still, it cannot compare, even connected to the best of speakers to a finely tuned and regulated acoustic for playing. I am sure the more standard upright digitals of today are more impressive than this board, which has over a thousand patches to choose from, but again, the amazing technology of only wood, steel and felt that mankind has brought the pianoforte to today is still the creme de la creme for the discerning buyer. I am still blown away 2 weeks later from that Steinway B. Truly an amazing work of art.

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