Piano upgrade time
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@George-K said in Piano upgrade time:
I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?
There’s the German limited production instruments (150 or so pianos per year), there’s the CNC production models using the German parts (Eduard Series, rated slightly above Yamaha CX and Kawai GX series) and there’s the Johannes Seilers… Indonesian built through and through. Roughly equivalent to the Prambergers and Knabes.
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@kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:
I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K
@LuFins-Dad said in Piano upgrade time:
A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K
It was an estate and needed it gone in 4 days.
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https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=58018
1986 SF10, 3 hours drive from me for 18K. Accompanying video here , whaddaya think?
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I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
@kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:
I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
I realize it closes the door on many new 7 footers. Boy, a 100K just aint what it used to be lol. I can't get too carried away with how much I would spend as there are other toys to be purchased to make this retirement complete.
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@George-K said in Piano upgrade time:
Seilers are made in Indonesia?
The SE278 says Germany - $340,636
Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.
@Copper said in Piano upgrade time:
@George-K said in Piano upgrade time:
Seilers are made in Indonesia?
The SE278 says Germany - $340,636
Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.
That's a ridiculous price for a Seiler.
I've played many German-made Seilers. Not very special, in my opinion, and certainly not a top-tier instrument.
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What about Sauter Ambiente?
Costs about €92,000 in my neighbourhood (Belgium).
Tried it once at the Frankfurter Messe, really liked it, but way out of my budget .... -
@kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:
I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.
I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.
I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.
As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.
I realize it closes the door on many new 7 footers. Boy, a 100K just aint what it used to be lol. I can't get too carried away with how much I would spend as there are other toys to be purchased to make this retirement complete.
@NobodySock Just reading this forum thread!
Very cool journey!! Good luck with the piano search.
But I am probably more interested in your search for a new home in Italy.
A couple of times, I have bought raffle tickets to "win a home" in Italy. Only been to the main cities but would like to visit some of the country side also. So much history and culture.
I think that @bachofile has been there quite a few times?
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Yea but with me it’s because of family on both sides so I’m there a lot.
And yes the countryside is really wonderful. The small villages. Umbria, Tuscany Piemonte, it’s all so lovely.
Nonetheless have never been south of Pompeii. Calabria, Sicily all unknown to me
Anyway enough about me, back to the big piano search
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The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
Education is extremely important.
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Possibly, although I didn’t think of it that way at the time. Still don’t, although it does make good sense to buy quality. I have three or four guitars that should give me my money back and then some when time comes to sell. Beard R and E style resonators and German silver National tricones are a pretty penny nowadays. Especially when they’re in close to immaculate condition like that Petrof was when it was sold.
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@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
@Horace said in Piano upgrade time:
@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
Larry was right.
He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.
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@Horace said in Piano upgrade time:
@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
Larry was right.
He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.
@Jolly said in Piano upgrade time:
@Horace said in Piano upgrade time:
@Renauda said in Piano upgrade time:
The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.
Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.
The fabled investment piano.
Larry was right.
He said many times that as digitals improved, labor costs increased and acoustic piano volume decreased (less demand), costs would skyrocket.
I have a very decent stage keyboad with my Roland RD2000. It's got a decent touch as digitals go and has been my mainstay board for the rock band for many years. Still, it cannot compare, even connected to the best of speakers to a finely tuned and regulated acoustic for playing. I am sure the more standard upright digitals of today are more impressive than this board, which has over a thousand patches to choose from, but again, the amazing technology of only wood, steel and felt that mankind has brought the pianoforte to today is still the creme de la creme for the discerning buyer. I am still blown away 2 weeks later from that Steinway B. Truly an amazing work of art.
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Yea but with me it’s because of family on both sides so I’m there a lot.
And yes the countryside is really wonderful. The small villages. Umbria, Tuscany Piemonte, it’s all so lovely.
Nonetheless have never been south of Pompeii. Calabria, Sicily all unknown to me
Anyway enough about me, back to the big piano search
@bachophile said in Piano upgrade time:
Yea but with me it’s because of family on both sides so I’m there a lot.
And yes the countryside is really wonderful. The small villages. Umbria, Tuscany Piemonte, it’s all so lovely.
Nonetheless have never been south of Pompeii. Calabria, Sicily all unknown to me
Anyway enough about me, back to the big piano search
I am the opposite. My history of living in Italy has soley been in the South. It really is a tale of two countries in one as I have read up on the history of this most beautiful of all countries in Europe. Vesuvius was always in my view living in Naples, with many visits to other areas in the South only going as north as Rome. A beautiful land with beautiful friendly people. I have been teetering between Sicily and Sardinia as my future location but in the end, Sardinia wins out only because of it's amazing beaches and beautiful clear blue waters. The ocean speaks to me and softens my soul whenever next to one.
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I hope you won't have tap water shortages in Sardinia.
Oh, and there's no ocean, just a (mediterranean) sea
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@bachophile said in Piano upgrade time:
Yea but with me it’s because of family on both sides so I’m there a lot.
And yes the countryside is really wonderful. The small villages. Umbria, Tuscany Piemonte, it’s all so lovely.
Nonetheless have never been south of Pompeii. Calabria, Sicily all unknown to me
Anyway enough about me, back to the big piano search
I am the opposite. My history of living in Italy has soley been in the South. It really is a tale of two countries in one as I have read up on the history of this most beautiful of all countries in Europe. Vesuvius was always in my view living in Naples, with many visits to other areas in the South only going as north as Rome. A beautiful land with beautiful friendly people. I have been teetering between Sicily and Sardinia as my future location but in the end, Sardinia wins out only because of it's amazing beaches and beautiful clear blue waters. The ocean speaks to me and softens my soul whenever next to one.
@NobodySock said in Piano upgrade time:
living in Naples,
Did you like Naples? I was only there for a day on my way to Pompeii, but was not impressed with it at all.
