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Does Trump reverse course on the deal he’s so proud of?

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #11

    Meh, while I’m sure this isn’t the deal that they wanted, I do feel confident that A) this is a zero-tolerance issue. If Hamas fucks around, then it’s done. And 2) it’s because attention is being focused on Iran.

    The Brad

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      #12

      4D chess. We just established the Palestinians' real intent and their support for Hamas.

      Or complete foolishness. It's hard to tell these days. i thought the agreement sucked from the gitgo.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • CopperC Offline
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        Copper
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        #13

        This is still Mr. Biden's world.

        We are just living in it.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #14

          Until you eradicate the trash of the Arab world - the so-called Palestinians - you're going to see them celebrate victory even in defeat. If one is not aware of their constant attempt to influence local and world opinion through propaganda and psyops, you've been living under a rock or you're lying to yourself.

          In a deal to end active shooting at each other and in an attempt to recover as many live hostages or bodies, this is probably about the best that can be done. I suspect every Hamas released from prison will sooner or later get to have a humbling moment with a Mossad agent.

          I also suspect Israel has been given a wink and a nod concerning a military response to any other significant provocation.

          Should Trump take credit? Yeah, he seems to be the catalyst for the deal.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • W Offline
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            Wim
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            #15

            In'm not against Israel and I'm not pro-Palestine.
            But too many people died in this war. I wouldn't call them trash. And neither should you.

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
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              #16

              Then tell Hamas don't start a war you can't finish. Acts of barbarity tend to be returned in kind.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Until you eradicate the trash of the Arab world - the so-called Palestinians - you're going to see them celebrate victory even in defeat. If one is not aware of their constant attempt to influence local and world opinion through propaganda and psyops, you've been living under a rock or you're lying to yourself.

                In a deal to end active shooting at each other and in an attempt to recover as many live hostages or bodies, this is probably about the best that can be done. I suspect every Hamas released from prison will sooner or later get to have a humbling moment with a Mossad agent.

                I also suspect Israel has been given a wink and a nod concerning a military response to any other significant provocation.

                Should Trump take credit? Yeah, he seems to be the catalyst for the deal.

                jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
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                #17

                @Jolly said in Does Trump reverse course on the deal he’s so proud of?:

                …you're going to see them celebrate victory even in defeat.

                But the Israeli right is also lamenting this deal and views it as a loss. Maybe there’s some there there.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • W Wim

                  In'm not against Israel and I'm not pro-Palestine.
                  But too many people died in this war. I wouldn't call them trash. And neither should you.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #18

                  @Wim said in Does Trump reverse course on the deal he’s so proud of?:

                  In'm not against Israel and I'm not pro-Palestine.
                  But too many people died in this war. I wouldn't call them trash. And neither should you.

                  You kill babies, you murder innocent civilians, you break bones on prisoners for the fun of it, you run rape trains on women until they're torn up inside and blood pools around their body and you let your prisoners die in isolation and tortured captivity... I think terming them trash borders on a compliment.

                  If I were the Israelis, I'd earmark every Hamas member I could find and I would start to systematically kill them by any means possible, excepting nuclear war. I would kill them, I would kill their families down to the mother, father and siblings. I would do my best to dump their family history into the dustbin of history.

                  Actually, this current problem is a recurrent Biblical problem of the Israelites disobeying God. When they came into Canaan, God told them to slay everything in the land, even unto the beasts of the field.

                  They should have done what He told them to do.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @Wim said in Does Trump reverse course on the deal he’s so proud of?:

                    In'm not against Israel and I'm not pro-Palestine.
                    But too many people died in this war. I wouldn't call them trash. And neither should you.

                    You kill babies, you murder innocent civilians, you break bones on prisoners for the fun of it, you run rape trains on women until they're torn up inside and blood pools around their body and you let your prisoners die in isolation and tortured captivity... I think terming them trash borders on a compliment.

                    If I were the Israelis, I'd earmark every Hamas member I could find and I would start to systematically kill them by any means possible, excepting nuclear war. I would kill them, I would kill their families down to the mother, father and siblings. I would do my best to dump their family history into the dustbin of history.

                    Actually, this current problem is a recurrent Biblical problem of the Israelites disobeying God. When they came into Canaan, God told them to slay everything in the land, even unto the beasts of the field.

                    They should have done what He told them to do.

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                    Renauda
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                    #19

                    @Jolly

                    Actually, this current problem is a recurrent Biblical problem of the Israelites disobeying God. When they came into Canaan, God told them to slay everything in the land, even unto the beasts of the field.

                    They should have done what He told them to do.

                    Actually, I think there are enough religious nutters and fanatics trying to fuel the continuation of this never ending war without pious foreigners throwing a bourbon bottle filled with heretical Christian fundamentalist gasoline on the fire.

                    Elbows up!

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                      jon-nyc
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                      #20

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
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                        #21

                        I wouldn't be saying that out loud if i were them.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          #22

                          How instrumental was Trump in the details of this deal?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #23

                            By all accounts he’s the reason Bibi felt forced to accept it.

                            The deal is essentially the same one Biden put together in May and tried again to sell in September.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              George K
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                              #24

                              No, I mean how much into the weeds of the deal was Trump? I get the pressure, but the conditions?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #25

                                His guy was side by side with the other negotiators. One would assume he and Trump and probably Jared were in contact about negotiations.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Is this true? The only Americans in scope are dead?

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                  #26

                                  @jon-nyc said in Does Trump reverse course on the deal he’s so proud of?:

                                  Is this true? The only Americans in scope are dead?

                                  3 are alive. But it’s unclear whether they’re part of the deal.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #27

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #28

                                      Four of seven.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        #29

                                        I was curious how Ben Shapiro would react, so I listened to him a bit this afternoon. His general takes were:

                                        1. yes, it’s a bad deal (you're exchanging hundreds of living killers for a handful of dead toddlers in some cases) BUT any deal with the bastards would be a bad deal by necessity… And

                                        2. While it’s a bad deal, he feels there are a few distinctions from Biden’s earlier proposal that made it palatable. The first being the lack of recognition of Hamas to lead the rebuilding and second Israel has better standing for re-engaging if necessary, and with support from the US

                                        The Brad

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
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                                          #30

                                          What, Trump had nothing to do with the ceasefire?

                                          I should believe that guy, right?

                                          Go to 4:00.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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