Will TikTok Survive?
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wrote on 12 Jan 2025, 17:45 last edited by
The future is going to be different. Unless something changes, in the next couple of decades we are going to have a group of leaders who cut their teeth on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and Tik-Tok. I think by that time, we'll be thoroughly immunized to potential blackmail arising from videos...Even most porn videos.
Can the CCP destabilize the country though algorithms? Maybe. It's a good point.
Can the CCP sweep in a lot of everyday intelligence on the average American? Sure. We're a very open society. So far, I'm more worried about them stealing top secret files, stealing government funded research and industrial espionage.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2025, 20:06 last edited by
If anyone is going to destabilize our social media, we want it to be the people who spend the most on lobbying in the US. They have
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wrote on 12 Jan 2025, 20:43 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Dec 2025, 20:43
So maybe we should have let the Soviet Union set up a television network throughout the United States in the 50s. Walter Cronkite, Joe Stalin - they were both self interested. What’s the difference?
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wrote on 12 Jan 2025, 21:21 last edited by
People actually believed Uncle Walter.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2025, 21:41 last edited by
The CCP seems to have a lot of converts too. Even highly intelligent lawyers have been known to succumb to the algorithm.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2025, 23:23 last edited by
Tariffs. It's the only answer.
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wrote on 13 Jan 2025, 00:15 last edited by
Actually the law is a perfectly fine answer.
Bipartisan, as these obvious national security issues should be.
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wrote on 13 Jan 2025, 00:18 last edited by
Trump could still be a hero to the people addicted to TikTok. They don’t have to shut down on the 19th remember, their app just won’t be updatable or downloadable anymore.
That wouldn’t need to be noticeable at all to the current users. Trump would have months to negotiate a sale. And that’s where tariffs can help.
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wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 01:57 last edited by
China Discusses Sale of TikTok US to Musk
Chinese officials are evaluating a potential option that involves Elon Musk acquiring the US operations of TikTok if the company fails to fend off a controversial ban on the short-video app, according to people familiar with the matter.
Beijing officials strongly prefer that TikTok remains under the ownership of parent ByteDance Ltd., the people say, and the company is contesting the impending ban with an appeal to the US Supreme Court. But the justices signaled during arguments on Jan. 10 that they are likely to uphold the law. Senior Chinese officials had already begun to debate contingency plans for TikTok as part of an expansive discussion on how to work with Donald Trump’s administration, one of which involves Musk, said the people, asking not to be identified revealing confidential discussions.
A potential high-profile deal with one of Trump’s closest allies holds some appeal for the Chinese government, which is expected to have some say over whether TikTok is ultimately sold, said the people. Musk spent more than $250 million supporting Trump’s re-election, and has been tapped for a prominent role in improving government efficiency after the Republican takes office.
Under one scenario that’s been discussed by the Chinese government, Musk’s X — the former Twitter — would take control of TikTok US and run the businesses together, the people said. With more than 170 million users in the US, TikTok could bolster X’s efforts to attract advertisers. Musk also founded a separate artificial intelligence company, xAI, that could benefit from the huge amounts of data generated from TikTok.
Chinese officials have yet to reach any firm consensus about how to proceed and their deliberations are still preliminary, the people said. It’s not clear how much ByteDance knows about the Chinese government discussions or whether TikTok and Musk have been involved. It’s also unclear whether Musk, TikTok and ByteDance have held any talks about the terms of any possible deal.
Musk and his representatives did not respond to a request for comment. Musk posted in April that he thinks TikTok should remain available in the US. “In my opinion, TikTok should not be banned in the USA, even though such a ban may benefit the X platform,” he wrote on X. “Doing so would be contrary to freedom of speech and expression. It is not what America stands for.”
ByteDance and TikTok representatives didn’t respond to messages seeking comment. The Cyberspace Administration of China and China’s Ministry of Commerce, government agencies that could be involved in decisions about TikTok’s future, also didn’t respond to requests for comment.
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China Discusses Sale of TikTok US to Musk
Chinese officials are evaluating a potential option that involves Elon Musk acquiring the US operations of TikTok if the company fails to fend off a controversial ban on the short-video app, according to people familiar with the matter.
Beijing officials strongly prefer that TikTok remains under the ownership of parent ByteDance Ltd., the people say, and the company is contesting the impending ban with an appeal to the US Supreme Court. But the justices signaled during arguments on Jan. 10 that they are likely to uphold the law. Senior Chinese officials had already begun to debate contingency plans for TikTok as part of an expansive discussion on how to work with Donald Trump’s administration, one of which involves Musk, said the people, asking not to be identified revealing confidential discussions.
A potential high-profile deal with one of Trump’s closest allies holds some appeal for the Chinese government, which is expected to have some say over whether TikTok is ultimately sold, said the people. Musk spent more than $250 million supporting Trump’s re-election, and has been tapped for a prominent role in improving government efficiency after the Republican takes office.
Under one scenario that’s been discussed by the Chinese government, Musk’s X — the former Twitter — would take control of TikTok US and run the businesses together, the people said. With more than 170 million users in the US, TikTok could bolster X’s efforts to attract advertisers. Musk also founded a separate artificial intelligence company, xAI, that could benefit from the huge amounts of data generated from TikTok.
Chinese officials have yet to reach any firm consensus about how to proceed and their deliberations are still preliminary, the people said. It’s not clear how much ByteDance knows about the Chinese government discussions or whether TikTok and Musk have been involved. It’s also unclear whether Musk, TikTok and ByteDance have held any talks about the terms of any possible deal.
Musk and his representatives did not respond to a request for comment. Musk posted in April that he thinks TikTok should remain available in the US. “In my opinion, TikTok should not be banned in the USA, even though such a ban may benefit the X platform,” he wrote on X. “Doing so would be contrary to freedom of speech and expression. It is not what America stands for.”
ByteDance and TikTok representatives didn’t respond to messages seeking comment. The Cyberspace Administration of China and China’s Ministry of Commerce, government agencies that could be involved in decisions about TikTok’s future, also didn’t respond to requests for comment.
wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 16:58 last edited by taiwan_girl@George-K I dont see that happening. To me, the whole heart of Tik Tok is the algorigthm, and the mainland chinese have indicated that they will never sell that or give up control of that
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wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 17:07 last edited by
Which is reason in itself to follow through with the law. It’s clear this is first and foremost a PsyOp. Not a business.
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wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 22:49 last edited by
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 16:31 last edited by
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 16:33 last edited by jon-nyc
China: “This isn’t a business, it’s a Psy-op. It has no value to us if we can’t control what your young people think”
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 17:10 last edited by kluurs
Latest on Tik Tok...
A fair number of Tik Tok users (several hundred thousand to date) have established accounts on the Chinese version of Tik Tok - to say FU to the US.
Mark Cuban has offered to back a Tik Tok-ish app if it is based on BlueSky.
Senator Markey is supposedly introducing legislation to delay implementation of the ban - to provide additional time for negotiation.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 17:34 last edited by jon-nyc
I don’t think its Chinese version of TikTok I think it’s another app called Red Book (as in Mao’s little red book) but branded RedNote in English.
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Latest on Tik Tok...
A fair number of Tik Tok users (several hundred thousand to date) have established accounts on the Chinese version of Tik Tok - to say FU to the US.
Mark Cuban has offered to back a Tik Tok-ish app if it is based on BlueSky.
Senator Markey is supposedly introducing legislation to delay implementation of the ban - to provide additional time for negotiation.
wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 18:03 last edited by@kluurs said in Will Tik-Tok Survive?:
Mark Cuban has offered to back a Tik Tok-ish app if it is based on BlueSky.
Like I said, and I'm sure most agree, Tik Tok will just be replaced by another similar app, hopefully US-based.
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I don’t think its Chinese version of TikTok I think it’s another app called Red Book (as in Mao’s little red book) but branded RedNote in English.
wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 18:16 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Will Tik-Tok Survive?:
I don’t think its Chinese version of TikTok I think it’s another app called Red Book (as in Mao’s little red book) but called RedNote in English.
I believe that you are right. In China, Tik Tok is called Douyin.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 23:23 last edited by
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Latest on Tik Tok...
A fair number of Tik Tok users (several hundred thousand to date) have established accounts on the Chinese version of Tik Tok - to say FU to the US.
Mark Cuban has offered to back a Tik Tok-ish app if it is based on BlueSky.
Senator Markey is supposedly introducing legislation to delay implementation of the ban - to provide additional time for negotiation.
wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 23:25 last edited by@kluurs said in Will Tik-Tok Survive?:
Senator Markey is supposedly introducing legislation to delay implementation of the ban - to provide additional time for negotiation.
He voted for the bill. Looks like he wants it both ways.