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  • 89th8 Offline
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    The reality is you're both right. Elon won't criticize China because he's pragmatic. But it also is a bit of a risk given his influence on Trump. But Trump really only cares about whether moves with China make Trump look powerful and/or are good financially, and Trump will (eventually) dump Elon once their honeymoon romance is over. But yes, both right... Elon is pragmatic, and also a hypocrite.

    This makes me also admire Elon, in a way. A story we all know, but the world's richest person, influencing all sorts of governments, all the while revolutionizing: internet payment (PayPal), electric vehicles (Tesla), underground road systems (Boring Company), satellite/worldwide high speed internet (Starlink), kind of social media (gutting Twitter's bloat), and of course space travel and reusable self-landing rockets that'll eventually enable a moon base (Space-X).

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      Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Me too. Overall I'm a fan. Just watch his interview with Don Lemon from a few months ago.

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          Foxconn had to place nets around one of their manufacturing plants in China, to keep the suicide jumpers from staining the pavement too badly. So, their employees had to resort to slashing their wrists with sharp objects found within the factory.

          Or so I'm told...

          The Chinese use slave labor. They use multiple forms of forced labor. If one doesn't like it (and I don't), the solution is to buy goods from someone else or tariff Chinese imports.

          For businesses trying to gain market share within China (the largest market in the world for some things), it's a constant tightrope between doing what's right and pissing off TPTB.

          Tim Cook found that out. Elon has, too.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • HoraceH Horace

            Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

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            @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

            Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

            Finally, a billionaire who is willing to try and influence governments!

            It's about time. George Soros take note.

            I was only joking

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              @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

              QED

              Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.

              I attempted to interact with Jon by trying, with my word skills, to relate with his point. Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans. This is what Jon does. Because Jon is almost entirely incapable of interacting with intelligent human beings who can reflect his own thoughts back.

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              @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

              Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.

              Screenshot 2025-01-08 at 10.27.22 AM.png

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.

                Screenshot 2025-01-08 at 10.27.22 AM.png

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                @jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans.

                Screenshot 2025-01-08 at 10.27.22 AM.png

                You are more than happy to imply with rhetoric, and then you retreat when confronted with implications. It's motte and bailey, and I actually know you're smart enough to know what that is.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  But the point, such that it is, has actually been discussed in this thread best by Jolly. Maybe Elon is compromised by his economic ties to China. I don't know, I doubt it, but I do know he modifies his speech in service to that motivation.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                    Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

                    Finally, a billionaire who is willing to try and influence governments!

                    It's about time. George Soros take note.

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                    Renauda
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                    #31

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                    @Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:

                    Elon is a guy we all have to live with, and it is not our choice. It was his success. As I evaluate him, I am absolutely comfortably with him, as compared to a nameless bureaucrat.

                    Finally, a billionaire who is willing to try and influence governments!

                    It's about time. George Soros take note.

                    C’mon Phibes, say it isn’t so.

                    Elbows up!

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                      Let’s see if this tweet is still standing as of his confirmation hearing.

                      Eiither way I’m with Matt. Ask him about it.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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