The government Elon doesn’t criticize.
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 10:39 last edited by
As a practical human, is there an actual point to Elon criticizing China? Or should we just imagine a perfectly principled human and how they would act?
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 10:41 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Aug 2025, 10:42
The salient point is why he wouldn’t. And what the implications are given his outsized role in Trump world.
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The salient point is why he wouldn’t. And what the implications are given his outsized role in Trump world.
wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 10:42 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
The salient point is why he wouldn’t.
His business interests are there, I don't actually think as a point of fact that that is in any dispute. Now weigh that against, what, being a talking head against China? What good will that serve?
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 10:43 last edited by
But to directly answer your question no, it would be stupid for him to do so. They could significantly damage his business interests and his net worth.
That’s sort of the point of the thread.
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As a practical human, is there an actual point to Elon criticizing China? Or should we just imagine a perfectly principled human and how they would act?
wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 10:44 last edited by@Horace Of course, he is a practical person. Understandable.
But, then probably not a good idea to tweet the following
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 10:44 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Aug 2025, 10:48
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
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This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 10:49 last edited by Horace 1 Aug 2025, 10:51@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
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@Horace Of course, he is a practical person. Understandable.
But, then probably not a good idea to tweet the following
wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 10:51 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@Horace Of course, he is a practical person. Understandable.
But, then probably not a good idea to tweet the following
He shoots from the hip, but as far as shot from the hip principles go, free speech is a good one, IMO.
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@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:01 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Aug 2025, 11:02@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
Strawmanning it is a form of cope.
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@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
Strawmanning it is a form of cope.
wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:02 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@Horace said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
This should be obvious to you, but let me spell it out.
The issue isn’t “oh no, Elon won’t criticize China!!!!”
The issue is “oh shit, a guy who’s quite beholden to the CCP is Trump’s right hand guy!!!”
Right, Elon, and by extension Trump, is a Chinese asset. Good luck with that.
To straw man it is a form of cope.
I don't actually believe you even know what you're talking about. If not the implication that Elon, and by extension Trump, are Chinese assets, what exactly are you on about here? Nothing. Oh, now you might grow some capacity to be nuanced and verbal with the word "asset"?
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:07 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Aug 2025, 11:11
Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning, depending on context.
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Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning, depending on context.
wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:10 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
Seems to me there’s a continuum of influence one entity can have over another and that ‘asset’ would cover one extreme end. But a much broader swath of that spectrum could be concerning.
Yeah, the implication that an American citizen should be concerned with Elon having ties to China is the point.
I never misunderstood.
Do I agree? Probably not.
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:12 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Aug 2025, 11:14
That’s a level of dissonance your mind is fully capable of avoiding.
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:12 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
That’s a layer of dissonance your mind is fully capable of avoiding.
Just a joke at this point. I'm sad for you.
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:15 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Aug 2025, 11:16
QED
Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:16 last edited by
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:18 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
QED
Yep. The real problem isn’t Elon’s ties with China. It’s Jon.
I attempted to interact with Jon by trying, with my word skills, to relate with his point. Jon, the mythical jon, just accused me of strawmans. This is what Jon does. Because Jon is almost entirely incapable of interacting with intelligent human beings who can reflect his own thoughts back.
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:33 last edited by
You two are like an old married couple.
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You two are like an old married couple.
wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:33 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The government Elon doesn’t criticize.:
You two are like an old married couple.
I love Jon, and I don't know why.
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wrote on 8 Jan 2025, 11:41 last edited by Doctor Phibes 1 Aug 2025, 11:41
