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Why Cant Tax Be Included?

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  • MikM Offline
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    Retailers would spend a lot of money on the change for no discernible benefit. Seriously, how hard is it to do the math in your head?

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      Retailers would spend a lot of money on the change for no discernible benefit. Seriously, how hard is it to do the math in your head?

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      @Mik said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

      Retailers would spend a lot of money on the change for no discernible benefit. Seriously, how hard is it to do the math in your head?

      It's an annoyance, particularly if you live and work in two different states with different rates, and yes, the change would be painful for retailers so probably not worth it

      I was only joking

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      • MikM Offline
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        If you have the bandwidth in your life to consider this anything more than the slightest inconvenience, you are very fortunate.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          #10

          Transparency is good in pricing, as we Americans are acutely aware of due to our health care system. I am perfectly fine with the price on the shelf not including tax, while the price at the register does.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • MikM Mik

            If you have the bandwidth in your life to consider this anything more than the slightest inconvenience, you are very fortunate.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            @Mik said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

            you are very fortunate.

            It's possible I may have misheard, but I believe they call me Mr. Luck Face down at the local shops.

            You have so much money, they probably refer to you as 'that banker Mik'.

            I was only joking

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            • MikM Offline
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              At least they call you Mr.

              I did not mean tax was insignificant, but it's at least consistent. You know how much it is and what you pay it on. It's not like they spin 'Wheel of Taxation' for every purchase to see how much you pay.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                At least they call you Mr.

                I did not mean tax was insignificant, but it's at least consistent. You know how much it is and what you pay it on. It's not like they spin 'Wheel of Taxation' for every purchase to see how much you pay.

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                @Mik said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                At least they call you Mr.

                I did not mean tax was insignificant, but it's at least consistent. You know how much it is and what you pay it on. It's not like they spin 'Wheel of Taxation' for every purchase to see how much you pay.

                It's not always that straightforward - the beer, wine and spirits are inconsistent with each other. Then there's stuff like clothes and textbooks - regular clothes are exempt, but luxury items may not be.

                Hey, it could be worse - VAT in the UK is currently at 20%, but nobody notices because it's included in the advertised price. Conversely, the property tax equivalent (council tax) is typically much lower.

                I was only joking

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                  This to me is a nothing burger. I’m far more interested in transparency from hotels and airlines and other businesses with significant fees hidden until the final checkout.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    @Mik I thought of you tonight. Ordering a table pad for our dining table, and…

                    IMG_0973.jpeg

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                      @Mik I thought of you tonight. Ordering a table pad for our dining table, and…

                      IMG_0973.jpeg

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                      @89th said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                      @Mik I thought of you tonight. Ordering a table pad for our dining table, and…

                      IMG_0973.jpeg

                      The company may potentially be breaking the law in several states/regions. I know for a fact that if they are delivering over $100K worth of goods per year into Virginia, Maryland, or DC, then they are obligated to collect and pay sales tax yo that State. There are other states that have similar rules with lower thresholds…

                      Plus, Minnesota does have a Usage tax in place, meaning if you buy something out of state with no sales tax and use it in Minnesota, then you are obligated to report it and pay it.

                      The Brad

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                        Hmm, I am with @89th . I like the price to be "all in". Sales tax in the US (country + state + city) can be 10% or more. That is not really insignificant. I think that a USD$20 "resort fee" on a USD$200 hotel room should not be a separate item either. It should definitely be included.

                        Gas prices in the US include tax. I dont think people would like it if they suddenly started showing the price without tax and then you go to pay and they tell you a different price.

                        Anyway, when I become the absolute leader, I will implement this. 555 (I will also not allow gas prices to be shown in tenths of a cent!!! LOL Not sure why this is allowed. 😠 )

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                          I do wonder whether leaving the sales tax out of the price has the effect of keeping the rates relatively low, since you're reminded of it every time you buy something. Shopping in the UK, you don't really think about that 20% tax rate because it's always there, but never seen.

                          I was only joking

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                            This to me is a nothing burger. I’m far more interested in transparency from hotels and airlines and other businesses with significant fees hidden until the final checkout.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                            This to me is a nothing burger. I’m far more interested in transparency from hotels and airlines and other businesses with significant fees hidden until the final checkout.

                            Rental cars too. Bumps up the price nearly 50%.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              @89th said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                              @Mik I thought of you tonight. Ordering a table pad for our dining table, and…

                              IMG_0973.jpeg

                              The company may potentially be breaking the law in several states/regions. I know for a fact that if they are delivering over $100K worth of goods per year into Virginia, Maryland, or DC, then they are obligated to collect and pay sales tax yo that State. There are other states that have similar rules with lower thresholds…

                              Plus, Minnesota does have a Usage tax in place, meaning if you buy something out of state with no sales tax and use it in Minnesota, then you are obligated to report it and pay it.

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                              @89th said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                              @Mik I thought of you tonight. Ordering a table pad for our dining table, and…

                              IMG_0973.jpeg

                              The company may potentially be breaking the law in several states/regions. I know for a fact that if they are delivering over $100K worth of goods per year into Virginia, Maryland, or DC, then they are obligated to collect and pay sales tax yo that State. There are other states that have similar rules with lower thresholds…

                              Plus, Minnesota does have a Usage tax in place, meaning if you buy something out of state with no sales tax and use it in Minnesota, then you are obligated to report it and pay it.

                              Oh maybe, not sure. Honestly, dealing with this company is like a flashback to the 80s and I kind of like it. I called and asked for some sample colors (for the table pad color) and they mailed me (for $3 postage on their end) a nice folder with sheets that explain everything, the measurements, the options, and even a page on how to mail an order back without USPS delays). The mail order form (the screenshot above) reminds me of my (limited) time using the Sears catalog mail order form as a kid (I know... I'm young-ish). My favorite part is they sent 12 color (fabric squares) and on the back was a hand-written note of what the color is.

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                              • MikM Mik

                                @jon-nyc said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                                This to me is a nothing burger. I’m far more interested in transparency from hotels and airlines and other businesses with significant fees hidden until the final checkout.

                                Rental cars too. Bumps up the price nearly 50%.

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                @Mik said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                                @jon-nyc said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                                This to me is a nothing burger. I’m far more interested in transparency from hotels and airlines and other businesses with significant fees hidden until the final checkout.

                                Rental cars too. Bumps up the price nearly 50%.

                                I wonder if one of the rental companies took a stand and provided transparent honest pricing whether customers would be savvy enough to reward them for it.

                                I was only joking

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                                  No they wouldn't. That’s why laws make sense. Once one company is burying fees they all have to in order to stay competitive.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    I do wonder whether leaving the sales tax out of the price has the effect of keeping the rates relatively low, since you're reminded of it every time you buy something. Shopping in the UK, you don't really think about that 20% tax rate because it's always there, but never seen.

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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Why Cant Tax Be Included?:

                                    I do wonder whether leaving the sales tax out of the price has the effect of keeping the rates relatively low,

                                    I was thinking the opposite. LOL

                                    If there were too towns next to each other, and one price was 5% higher because of taxes, and the town lost business to the next town, maybe that would be incentive for them to lower their local taxes.

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