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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    "The 50 Greatest Spy Novels of All Time, an expertly compiled list that showcases the very best espionage books ever written."

    Link to video

    So you don't have to watch:

    1. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy - John le Carré
    2. The Spy Who Came In From The Cold - John le Carré
    3. The Hunt For Red October - Tom Clancy
    4. The Quiet American - Graham Greene
    5. Eye Of The Needle - Ken Follett
    6. Casino Royale - Ian Fleming
    7. The Day Of The Jackal - Frederick Forsyth
    8. The 39 Steps - John Buchan
    9. From Russia With Love - Ian Fleming
    10. Red Sparrow - Jason Matthews
    11. The Sympathizer - Viet Thanh Nguyen
    12. A Mask For Dimitrios [^1] - Eric Ambler
    13. The Bourne Identity - Robert Ludlum
    14. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
    15. American Spy - Lauren Wilkinson
    16. The Alice Network - Kate Quinn
    17. Our Man In Havana - Graham Greene
    18. Gorky Park - Martin Cruz Smith
    19. Smiley's People - John le Carré
    20. I Am Pilgrim - Terry Hayes
    21. Berlin Game - Len Deighton
    22. The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo - Stieg Larsson
    23. The Kill Artist - Daniel Silva
    24. Slow Horses - Mick Herron
    25. Ashenden - W. Somerset Maugham
    26. The Ipcress File - Len Deighton
    27. The Honourable Schoolboy - John le Carré
    28. American Assassin - Vince Flynn
    29. Agents Of Innocence - David Ignatius
    30. Night Soldiers - Alan Furst
    31. Damascus Station - David McCloskey
    32. Clear And Present Danger - Tom Clancy
    33. The Odessa File - Frederick Forsyth
    34. The Bourne Ultimatum - Robert Ludlum
    35. Box 88 - Charles Cumming
    36. The Cardinal And The Kremlin - Tom Clancy
    37. The Charm School - Nelson DeMille
    38. The Girl Who Played With Fire - Stieg Larsson
    39. Need To Know - Karen Cleveland
    40. The Berlin Exchange - Joseph Kanon
    41. Patriot Games - Tom Clancy
    42. Transcription - Kate Atkinson
    43. Kim - Rudyard Kipling
    44. The Russia House - John le Carré
    45. The Secrets We Kept - Lara Prescott
    46. Secret Service - Tom Bradby
    47. The Innocent - Ian McEwan
    48. The Company - Robert Littell
    49. The Riddle Of The Sands - Erskine Childers
    50. Goldfinger - Ian Fleming

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • bachophileB Offline
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      bachophile
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      Read 26 of them

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      • bachophileB bachophile

        Read 26 of them

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        @bachophile said in Another "50 greatest..." list:

        Read 26 of them

        I'm such a loser - only 24.

        BTW: Did you know that "The Ipcress File" was made into a mini-series? Not bad. Not great, but not bad.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • bachophileB Offline
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          bachophile
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          I saw the movie with Michale Caine years ago but didn’t see the mini series and that’s not one of my 26

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            Sort of off-topic, but on topic.

            If you like Le-Carre's stuff, and I know you do, you might want to check out "Sandbaggers"

            https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/309514

            I loved the first season, and maybe I'll binge through #2. The episodes are all stand-alone, but there is an over-reaching arc to the story, sort of like much late 70s stuff. It never got a third season because the guy who was writing it died - under mysterious circumstances.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • bachophileB Offline
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              bachophile
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              Apropos le carre, this is out now, on my to read list

              e2a2f5b3-fda6-47ec-91cc-8238e2ac3857-image.jpeg

              Written by Cornwell’s son

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              • George KG Offline
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                Is this the first "Non Le-Carre" Le-Carre book?

                Kevin Anderson and Brian Herbert's prequels of the Dune universe have been maligned for not being fatithful to the vision of Brian's dad. I enjoyed them, but I'm easy to please in that regard.

                How are the reviews?

                And, I suppose I should re-read the Karla books before diving into this one. It's been years and years.

                Oh, and "Spy Who Came In..."? Sandbaggers has that kind of ending.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • bachophileB Offline
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                  bachophile
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                  mixed reviews on Amazon

                  Yes the Karla trilogy is worth a reread, they are so good. spy who came in from the cold is not a prerequisite.

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
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                    Surprised that Le Carre’s A Perfect Spy is not on the list. I recall it being every bit as gripping a page turner as any of the Karla trilogy.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      Speaking of Le Carre...

                      Have you read "The Night Manager?" It was also made into a miniseries with Tom Hiddelston Olivia Colman and Hugh Laurie. Book was good as was the miniseries.

                      THey're making another season of the miniseries, though, considering how the book ended, I don't see how.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                      RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
                      • bachophileB Offline
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                        Yes I read it. I’ve read the whole le carre repertoire.

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                        • bachophileB bachophile

                          Yes I read it. I’ve read the whole le carre repertoire.

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                          @bachophile said in Another "50 greatest..." list:

                          I’ve read the whole le carre repertoire. oeuvre.

                          It's pedantry Sunday.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            You are right, repertoire didn’t seem the right word but oeuvre failed me. That would be a good Thursday ny times word for a crossword clue

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                              jon-nyc
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                              I read one. (Stieg Larson) during his 15m of fame. Tried a couple others and put them down. Just not my genre.

                              Seen some of the movies though.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                              • George KG George K

                                Speaking of Le Carre...

                                Have you read "The Night Manager?" It was also made into a miniseries with Tom Hiddelston Olivia Colman and Hugh Laurie. Book was good as was the miniseries.

                                THey're making another season of the miniseries, though, considering how the book ended, I don't see how.

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                                @George-K

                                Have you read "The Night Manager?"

                                Yes about six years ago. Loved it, couldn’t put it down.

                                Wasn’t aware of the miniseries. Will keep an eye out for it.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  @George-K

                                  Have you read "The Night Manager?"

                                  Yes about six years ago. Loved it, couldn’t put it down.

                                  Wasn’t aware of the miniseries. Will keep an eye out for it.

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                                  George K
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                                  @Renauda said in Another "50 greatest..." list:

                                  Yes about six years ago. Loved it, couldn’t put it down.

                                  Hugh Laurie as Roper - he plays a bad guy SO well.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    I admit, I’ve never read le Carrè. Might have to read a couple.

                                    I was going to post a poll about who was the best, Clancy or Fleming, but according to this list it’s easily le Carrè.

                                    The Brad

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                                      Forsyth and Le Carre are equals, IMO. Clancy and Fleming are pulp. Good pulp, but pulp. Fleming's best was "Casino Royale."

                                      Le Carre's writing is dense, much in the same style as Mick Herron (Slow Horses) and Alastair Reynolds. His books are not to be skimmed.

                                      Speaking of Fleming, my ex's ex wrote a Bond book. It was mediocre.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        Is this the first "Non Le-Carre" Le-Carre book?

                                        Kevin Anderson and Brian Herbert's prequels of the Dune universe have been maligned for not being fatithful to the vision of Brian's dad. I enjoyed them, but I'm easy to please in that regard.

                                        How are the reviews?

                                        And, I suppose I should re-read the Karla books before diving into this one. It's been years and years.

                                        Oh, and "Spy Who Came In..."? Sandbaggers has that kind of ending.

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                                        @George-K

                                        Oh, and "Spy Who Came In..."? Sandbaggers has that kind of ending..

                                        Le Carre wrote a follow up to a The Spy Who Came in from the Cold called A Legacy of Spies published in 2017. Again, a first rate novel in the genre - a real pager turner again. It is essentially a story of the hypocrisy [and stupidity] of progressive liberal political correctness in relation to the stark reality of the Cold War and the spy trade in general. I would recommend a reread of a The Spy Who Came in from Cold to jog the memory and give context to the story line before cracking the spine of Legacy….

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Honestly I don’t think anyone on the list comes close to le carre.

                                          And the apex is the Karla trilogy.

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