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  • JollyJ Offline
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    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/trumps-greenland-new-deal/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      I don’t know enough about it to say definitively, but it could be very forward thinking. What minerals have been proven to be there, and are they reasonably accessible?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • George KG Offline
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        I keep remembering..."Iceland is green, and Greenland is ice."

        The Air Force has a base there.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          This thread could easily be titled, ‘Now that all of America’s problems have been solved, Trump turns his attention to…’

          Only non-witches get due process.

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          • MikM Mik

            I don’t know enough about it to say definitively, but it could be very forward thinking. What minerals have been proven to be there, and are they reasonably accessible?

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            @Mik said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

            I don’t know enough about it to say definitively, but it could be very forward thinking. What minerals have been proven to be there, and are they reasonably accessible?

            Copper, gold, coal, zinc, lead, gemstones and rare earth minerals.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              OTOH, the biggest money maker is seafood.

              BTW, we've bought stuff from the Danes before. The Virgin Islands.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                This thread could easily be titled, ‘Now that all of America’s problems have been solved, Trump turns his attention to…’

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                @jon-nyc said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                This thread could easily be titled, ‘Now that all of America’s problems have been solved, Trump turns his attention to…’

                Trump is trolling about Canada. I do think he's semi-serious about Greenland.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Expanding on his remarks, Trump later added, “I look forward to going, but I thought that the Prime Minister’s statement that it was absurd that wasn’t — it was an absurd idea, was nasty. I thought it was an inappropriate statement. All she had to do is say, ‘no, we wouldn’t be interested.’ But we can’t treat the United States of America the way they treated us under President Obama. I thought it was a very not nice way of saying something.”

                  The Danish PM was just being “occasionally impolite”. Danes are, for the most part, consistently polite and statesmanlike, quite unlike brash NY real estate tycoons. No wonder that Trump didn’t understand that and took offense.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Expanding on his remarks, Trump later added, “I look forward to going, but I thought that the Prime Minister’s statement that it was absurd that wasn’t — it was an absurd idea, was nasty. I thought it was an inappropriate statement. All she had to do is say, ‘no, we wouldn’t be interested.’ But we can’t treat the United States of America the way they treated us under President Obama. I thought it was a very not nice way of saying something.”

                    The Danish PM was just being “occasionally impolite”. Danes are, for the most part, consistently polite and statesmanlike, quite unlike brash NY real estate tycoons. No wonder that Trump didn’t understand that and took offense.

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                    @Renauda said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                    Danes are, for the most part, consistently polite and statesmanlike,

                    Also the most humorless.

                    quite unlike brash NY real estate tycoons

                    Of all the Danes I've known, "brash" hardly applies, LOL.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      OTOH, the biggest money maker is seafood.

                      BTW, we've bought stuff from the Danes before. The Virgin Islands.

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                      @Jolly said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                      OTOH, the biggest money maker is seafood.

                      BTW, we've bought stuff from the Danes before. The Virgin Islands.

                      Just as Greenland doesn't have much in the way of greenery.....

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @Jolly said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                        OTOH, the biggest money maker is seafood.

                        BTW, we've bought stuff from the Danes before. The Virgin Islands.

                        Just as Greenland doesn't have much in the way of greenery.....

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                        @Doctor-Phibes

                        But the American Moses wants their walrus blubber and muktuk.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • 89th8 Offline
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                          Trump likes real estate. A land expansion seems pretty noteworthy for his chapter in future history books. He knows this!

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                            It would be. We all know Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase and that Alaska was Seward’s Folly.

                            But does the country have a reason to do this? Besides to stroke Trump’s ego?

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              It would be. We all know Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase and that Alaska was Seward’s Folly.

                              But does the country have a reason to do this? Besides to stroke Trump’s ego?

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                              @jon-nyc said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                              Alaska was Seward’s Folly.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/donald-trump-not-the-first-president-to-try-to-buy-greenland/ar-AA1wo2c5

                              The first time the U.S. thought about buying Greenland was in 1867 when Secretary of State William Seward, under President Andrew Johnson, proposed buying it and Iceland from Denmark for $5.5 million in gold, or about $117.2 million in today’s money. The offer was never made to Denmark however. That same year, Seward negotiated the Alaska Purchase from Russia for $7.2 million ($129 million today).

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Greenland tells the Danes - "We want out."

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  Greenland tells the Danes - "We want out."

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                                  @George-K

                                  The talk is independence not union with or purchase/annexation by the USA.

                                  https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/what-would-greenlands-independence-mean-arctic

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    @George-K

                                    The talk is independence not union with or purchase/annexation by the USA.

                                    https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/what-would-greenlands-independence-mean-arctic

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                                    @Renauda said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                                    The talk is independence not union with or purchase/annexation by the USA.

                                    I didn't say that did I? Have they made such a request in the past?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      You didn’t but Trump has.

                                      The article I linked tells that Greenland is looking for some form of independence/sovereignty from Denmark. They are not looking to becoming Americans. Trump continues to promote a policy that would result in Denmark giving consideration to sell the island to the USA. The wishes of the inhabitants of Greenland would be sidelined in any ensuing negotiations.

                                      I get it that Washington would want Greenland. The US already maintains total political and military control over the Alaskan Western Arctic entrance/exit to the Northwest Passage. It also militarily controls the Eastern entrance of the passage through USN command of the sea. It currently must share political control over eastern NW passage with its NATO allies Denmark and Canada. It would like to have complete control. Obtaining Greenland would be a strategic step towards that reaching that goal. Not necessary but politically desirable.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        You didn’t but Trump has.

                                        The article I linked tells that Greenland is looking for some form of independence/sovereignty from Denmark. They are not looking to becoming Americans. Trump continues to promote a policy that would result in Denmark giving consideration to sell the island to the USA. The wishes of the inhabitants of Greenland would be sidelined in any ensuing negotiations.

                                        I get it that Washington would want Greenland. The US already maintains total political and military control over the Alaskan Western Arctic entrance/exit to the Northwest Passage. It also militarily controls the Eastern entrance of the passage through USN command of the sea. It currently must share political control over eastern NW passage with its NATO allies Denmark and Canada. It would like to have complete control. Obtaining Greenland would be a strategic step towards that reaching that goal. Not necessary but politically desirable.

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                                        @Renauda said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                                        Not necessary but politically desirable.

                                        You mean stategically desirable.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Renauda said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                                          Not necessary but politically desirable.

                                          You mean stategically desirable.

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                                          @George-K said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                                          @Renauda said in The Truman-Trump Connection:

                                          Not necessary but politically desirable.

                                          You mean stategically desirable.

                                          Not at all. The desirable (and almost uncontested) strategic advantage is already held by the US and the Nato alliance. It has been so since at least 1949.

                                          What I meant was the political desirability of de jure ownership of the eastern territorial gateway to the Northwest passage. Similar to the Turk owning and controlling the Dardanelle entrance to the Black Sea.

                                          Elbows up!

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