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My knee is fucked

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    kluurs
    wrote on 26 Dec 2024, 07:37 last edited by
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    Sorry to hear this news. I hope some pt and rest do the job.

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      Horace
      wrote on 26 Dec 2024, 14:22 last edited by
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      Sorry to hear this. My own knee problems were almost certainly the result of lots of running at a rather high body weight. Tore both my quad tendons off the bone, but not right then. Only several years after.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on 26 Dec 2024, 14:29 last edited by
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        Damn, Bach, sorry to hear. Maybe pick up a guitar or a book or three while you're taking it easy?

        Please love yourself.

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          89th
          wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 04:29 last edited by
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          The worst part is @bachophile is going to post more here now!

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            89th
            wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 04:31 last edited by
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            Kidding, of course. And sorry to hear, of course. It's funny you mention the running thing. Between 2007 and 2017 I did like 8 marathons, a couple triathlons, and a bunch of half marathons, and I remember my last race (the NYC marathon), I got back to my wife's uncle's condo, clearly my legs are shot and I'm hobbling around, and the first thing he says, not in a mean way, was... "this is why I don't run, I want to use my knees when I'm older". That has stayed with me. I still run a bit, but have tried to shift into biking and would love to eventually get into rowing (or just swimming) when I have more time.

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              Mik
              wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 14:19 last edited by
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              Yeah, your body is like a credit card with a genetically set lifetime limit. How you spend it is up to you. Luckily my knees and his are fine at this age, largely because I biked and walked rather than running. Never did like it.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                27 Dec 2024, 04:29

                The worst part is @bachophile is going to post more here now!

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                bachophile
                wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 14:50 last edited by
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                @89th yup. More time for you peeps

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                  bachophile
                  wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 14:54 last edited by
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                  I don’t regret the running. It certainly kept me aerobically healthy. And I had nice hours with my thoughts or with various music play lists. But it’s sad that I know there are things I won’t ever do again. Besides run. I won’t ski. I won’t play professional ice hockey. I won’t work in cirque de soleil. All gone with the wind.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 14:57 last edited by jon-nyc
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                    Speaking of gone with the wind, you won’t play Rhett Butler in the remake either. No way you could take those stairs two at a time carrying that woman.

                    But I understand your point. I have some permanent limitations with my shoulder due to a torn rotator cuff.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      27 Dec 2024, 14:57

                      Speaking of gone with the wind, you won’t play Rhett Butler in the remake either. No way you could take those stairs two at a time carrying that woman.

                      But I understand your point. I have some permanent limitations with my shoulder due to a torn rotator cuff.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 16:10 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in My knee is fucked:

                      Speaking of gone with the wind, you won’t play Rhett Butler in the remake either.

                      But I understand your point. I have some permanent limitations with my shoulder due to a torn rotator cuff.

                      Let me tell you about shoulder replacements...😉

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • B bachophile
                        27 Dec 2024, 14:54

                        I don’t regret the running. It certainly kept me aerobically healthy. And I had nice hours with my thoughts or with various music play lists. But it’s sad that I know there are things I won’t ever do again. Besides run. I won’t ski. I won’t play professional ice hockey. I won’t work in cirque de soleil. All gone with the wind.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 16:16 last edited by
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                        @bachophile said in My knee is fucked:

                        I don’t regret the running. It certainly kept me aerobically healthy. And I had nice hours with my thoughts or with various music play lists. But it’s sad that I know there are things I won’t ever do again. Besides run. I won’t ski. I won’t play professional ice hockey. I won’t work in cirque de soleil. All gone with the wind.

                        My wife worked for a doc who was a world class tennis player. After he had both knees replaced, he took up golf. It became a very expensive hobby, due to mangled golf clubs.

                        That lead him into swimming. He's still going strong in the pool at 87. It keeps him in great shape for his age.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • J Jolly
                          27 Dec 2024, 16:10

                          @jon-nyc said in My knee is fucked:

                          Speaking of gone with the wind, you won’t play Rhett Butler in the remake either.

                          But I understand your point. I have some permanent limitations with my shoulder due to a torn rotator cuff.

                          Let me tell you about shoulder replacements...😉

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                          George K
                          wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 17:42 last edited by
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                          @Jolly said in My knee is fucked:

                          Let me tell you about shoulder replacements.

                          Most rotator cuff injuries get better over time - the strained muscle heals and the torn muscle scars down. In fact, I remember reading a statistic that over 50% of the population over the age of 60 has had a rotator cuff injury - usually subclinical.

                          Don't quote me on the statistic, but I just recall it being a really high number.

                          But...

                          If it doesn't heal, the cuff no longer supports the humerus and you start getting "rotator cuff arthropathy."

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                          You have bone on bone arthritis, and there's only one definitive treatment for that.

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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            kluurs
                            wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 20:09 last edited by kluurs
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                            I'm still running - but a couple of weeks ago there was a guy walking behind me - about 100 feet back - I ran another couple of miles - and there he was - about 100 feet back. Long gone are the days of "no one passes" or "catch up with woman with the nice legs." While I have a couple of nice bikes, I'm probably going to get rid of them next spring. I just don't like what happens when they interact with automobiles or when we bounce of the pavement. It's not conducive to long-term health. I suspect my next cardio will be walking on incline, hiking, rucking, and erg-rowing. There might be a treadmill (my nemesis) - where I walk on an incline.

                            My lifting continues though I probably need to map out a better workout schedule. I suspect I'm overdoing things a bit. I may wait until I injure myself to sort that out - as that seems to be most people's preferred strategy.

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                              27 Dec 2024, 17:42

                              @Jolly said in My knee is fucked:

                              Let me tell you about shoulder replacements.

                              Most rotator cuff injuries get better over time - the strained muscle heals and the torn muscle scars down. In fact, I remember reading a statistic that over 50% of the population over the age of 60 has had a rotator cuff injury - usually subclinical.

                              Don't quote me on the statistic, but I just recall it being a really high number.

                              But...

                              If it doesn't heal, the cuff no longer supports the humerus and you start getting "rotator cuff arthropathy."

                              Screenshot 2024-12-27 at 11.41.17 AM.png

                              You have bone on bone arthritis, and there's only one definitive treatment for that.

                              Screenshot 2024-12-27 at 11.41.56 AM.png

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 20:53 last edited by
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                              @George-K said in My knee is fucked:

                              I remember reading a statistic that over 50% of the population over the age of 60 has had a rotator cuff injury - usually subclinical.

                              Don't quote me on the statistic, but I just recall it being a really high number.

                              CLOSE

                              https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/partial-rotator-cuff-tear

                              One study that examined MRI scans from people over age 60 found that more than 50 percent had partial tears of their rotator cuff tendons and never knew it.

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                                bachophile
                                wrote on 29 Dec 2024, 13:21 last edited by
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                                started PT. Began with ultrasound directed to the joint, not sure what that’s about, then assessment of muscle tone ( my quads are fine, hamstrings weak), being taught exercises to strengthen hams, and kinesiology tape the joint ( another weird idea) but overall seems to me my limp is less pronounced, although stairs are still a bitch.

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                                • B bachophile
                                  29 Dec 2024, 13:21

                                  started PT. Began with ultrasound directed to the joint, not sure what that’s about, then assessment of muscle tone ( my quads are fine, hamstrings weak), being taught exercises to strengthen hams, and kinesiology tape the joint ( another weird idea) but overall seems to me my limp is less pronounced, although stairs are still a bitch.

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 3 Jan 2025, 13:47 last edited by
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                                  @bachophile Just saw this forum thread. Hope things continue on a upward path!!

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                                  • 8 89th
                                    27 Dec 2024, 04:31

                                    Kidding, of course. And sorry to hear, of course. It's funny you mention the running thing. Between 2007 and 2017 I did like 8 marathons, a couple triathlons, and a bunch of half marathons, and I remember my last race (the NYC marathon), I got back to my wife's uncle's condo, clearly my legs are shot and I'm hobbling around, and the first thing he says, not in a mean way, was... "this is why I don't run, I want to use my knees when I'm older". That has stayed with me. I still run a bit, but have tried to shift into biking and would love to eventually get into rowing (or just swimming) when I have more time.

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 3 Jan 2025, 13:48 last edited by
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                                    @89th said in My knee is fucked:

                                    would love to eventually get into rowing

                                    Get a Concept 2 rowing machine. Highly recommended. 🙂

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                                      89th
                                      wrote on 3 Jan 2025, 14:25 last edited by
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                                      Good to know, thanks!

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                                        3 Jan 2025, 13:47

                                        @bachophile Just saw this forum thread. Hope things continue on a upward path!!

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                                        bachophile
                                        wrote on 3 Jan 2025, 15:26 last edited by
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                                        @taiwan_girl said in My knee is fucked:

                                        @bachophile Just saw this forum thread. Hope things continue on a upward path!!

                                        Well just a little shy of two weeks post acute event. Doing much better. Today was the first day that I was able to tackle stairs like a normal person, left right left right instead of going one step at a time with weight on the better foot.

                                        Have had two PT sessions and I have daily exercises to do, actually twice a day, to strengthen leg muscles. Limp much less pronounced, so things are improving. Still feel the knee is sensitive to full weight bearing but that’s going to take time.

                                        Hopefully this improvement will continue.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 3 Jan 2025, 23:18 last edited by
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                                          Glad you're better. Surgical treatment of meniscal tears has been controversial for a long time. But, in your case, surgery is not recommended, so it's good that conservative Rx is working.

                                          Hope you don't end up with a TKA.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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