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Glad the free speech folks are in charge

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  • J Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 22:19 last edited by
    #82

    Or in this case a judge giving free legal advice.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      Tom-K
      wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 22:58 last edited by
      #83

      FWIW, the lawyers I hang out with (granted: in a liquored up state) think that this is a slam dunk for the AP. Even the SCOTUS will decide for them.

      Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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        Horace
        wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 23:08 last edited by
        #84

        That is incorrect. Please inform those lawyers that they are wrong, and physically unattractive.

        Education is extremely important.

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 23:08 last edited by
          #85

          Trump’s attorney gave it up in his first public statement.

          The Brad

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          • T Tom-K
            27 Feb 2025, 22:58

            FWIW, the lawyers I hang out with (granted: in a liquored up state) think that this is a slam dunk for the AP. Even the SCOTUS will decide for them.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 02:44 last edited by jon-nyc
            #86

            @Tom-K said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

            FWIW, the lawyers I hang out with (granted: in a liquored up state) think that this is a slam dunk for the AP. Even the SCOTUS will decide for them.

            The Trump appointed judge basically told Trumps team that. But then he offered them a potential out. Though it's unclear to me whenever making the change ex-post will help. We'll see.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              Horace
              wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 03:06 last edited by Horace
              #87

              I don't know what the whitehouse correspondent's association has to do with the legalities of the situation, but my intuitive reactions have been based on the decisions about who to ration the seats to, were made internally within the executive branch. maybe my intuitions would have been correct, if that were the case.

              Education is extremely important.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 22:38 last edited by
                #88

                When you lose Matt Taibbi…

                https://www.racket.news/p/if-trump-blows-it-on-speech-the-world

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                • J jon-nyc
                  12 Mar 2025, 22:38

                  When you lose Matt Taibbi…

                  https://www.racket.news/p/if-trump-blows-it-on-speech-the-world

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 13 Mar 2025, 00:54 last edited by
                  #89

                  @jon-nyc Don't tell me you subscribe to Taibbi.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 13 Mar 2025, 01:24 last edited by
                    #90

                    No I don’t.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 12:15 last edited by
                      #91

                      Opposition to free speech is becoming the central belief of the maga movement.

                      https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5195881-trump-media-illegal/

                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 12:22 last edited by
                        #92

                        Opposition to coordinated media acting as a public relations arm of the Democrats is what he was talking about.

                        The Russia Hoax and Hunter's Laptop come to mind...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 12:31 last edited by
                          #93

                          Even if you weren’t deluded about both those things, it still wouldn’t matter.

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 12:31 last edited by jon-nyc
                            #94

                            Tiberius was right. Most people don’t want freedom. They want a kind master. That’s certainly the case, to a person, with the maga movement.

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                            • J Jolly
                              16 Mar 2025, 12:22

                              Opposition to coordinated media acting as a public relations arm of the Democrats is what he was talking about.

                              The Russia Hoax and Hunter's Laptop come to mind...

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 12:37 last edited by jon-nyc
                              #95

                              @Jolly said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                              Opposition to coordinated media acting as a public relations arm of the Democrats is what he was talking about.

                              When Fox execs had open conversations deciding to knowingly repeat Trump’s election lies rather than tell the truth and anger the credulous idiots that are the maga base, they were not breaking any laws. Their malicious greed-driven partisan lies were 100% protected by the 1A. The only reason it cost them almost $1B and Tucker his career was because they defamed a private party in the process.

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 13:38 last edited by
                                #96

                                I’ll agree regarding the emergency authorizations excepting the border. That had reached and surpassed an emergency.

                                If the other part of the free speech argument is the Columbia dude, this isn’t about free speech. The dude is welcome to say whatever he likes so long as:

                                1. he is not saying anything that is an incitement to lawless action. I think we would all agree that what he was saying on the megaphone was an incitement to violence and illegal trespass. And without the appropriate permits, even speaking to the group was lawless action.

                                2. The speech doesn’t contain “fighting words” or words and actions intended to provoke a violent reaction. Again, I believe we can all agree that he tried to provoke Jewish Students to violence.

                                3. The speech contains “true threats” defined by the courts as

                                the federal Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals applied a five-factor test to determine whether speech constitutes a true threat, including: (i) the reaction of the recipient of the threat and of other listeners; (ii) whether the threat was conditional; (iii) whether the threat was communicated directly to its victim; (iv) whether the maker of the threat had made similar statements to the victim in the past; and (v) whether the victim had reason to believe that the maker of the threat had a propensity to engage in violence.

                                I think we can all reasonably agree that the Jewish students on the campus felt there was a sincere true threats.

                                The Brad

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                                  xenon
                                  wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 15:30 last edited by xenon
                                  #97

                                  There’s a difference between connecting dots and specific actual threats made by a specific person.

                                  What I mean by that is, compare this to the Skokie Nazis. Nazis think Jews should be killed. Hamas thinks Israelis should be killed. The Skokie Nazis were not making specify threats though - even the position of Nazis is clear.

                                  But that alone isn’t enough to be a specific threat. Is there an allegation that Khalil made specific threats against other students? Genuine question.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 15:38 last edited by
                                    #98

                                    No. AG Bondi herself told the free press it’s not about him having broken any laws.

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 28 Mar 2025, 13:42 last edited by
                                      #99

                                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                        89th
                                        wrote on 28 Mar 2025, 14:07 last edited by
                                        #100

                                        Wait, they'll go after people pushing the lies?

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                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on 28 Mar 2025, 14:11 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                          #101

                                          What we really need is for them to make libel illegal. I know, that's kind of controversial, because it would mean there'd be lawsuits and stuff.

                                          I don't know if you Americans are familiar with the concept of lawsuits, it probably has never happened over here.

                                          I was only joking

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