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Glad the free speech folks are in charge

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  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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    Doctor Phibes
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    #74

    I imagine Fox and Newsmax can think further ahead than the next couple of years, which is a concept that a number of people on both sides of the political divide seem to struggle with.

    I was only joking

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #75

      This is just such a practically meaningless thing. I chuckle at the idea that an in-person presser with KJP is considered an important fundamental right of the press. Those abject nothing-burgers of question avoidance are a cornerstone of the press's ability to do its job.

      I know this is for the principle of it, but the principle of it really does boil down to how to ration finite seats in a press conference.

      If this happens to conservative news sources in a future administration, it'll only be red meat to their base, so I don't think I'm being hypocritical with my shrug here.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Horace
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        #76

        It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
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          #77

          @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

          It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

          I think that the only thing that President Trump is thinking of is that somebody or organization made him mad. In my mind, he is quite vindictive, regardless of weather or not if someone is actually doing something against him. He just has to think that is the case.

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

            It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

            I think that the only thing that President Trump is thinking of is that somebody or organization made him mad. In my mind, he is quite vindictive, regardless of weather or not if someone is actually doing something against him. He just has to think that is the case.

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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #78

            @taiwan_girl He can always be framed that way, and I suspect he is happy to be underestimated. It's part of his power. Keep it up.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

              It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

              I think that the only thing that President Trump is thinking of is that somebody or organization made him mad. In my mind, he is quite vindictive, regardless of weather or not if someone is actually doing something against him. He just has to think that is the case.

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              Jolly
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              #79

              @taiwan_girl said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

              @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

              It's also easy to imagine that this is more Trump flooding the zone. If this is a shiny object for the media to concentrate on, and they fall for the bait, that's their choice.

              I think that the only thing that President Trump is thinking of is that somebody or organization made him mad. In my mind, he is quite vindictive, regardless of weather or not if someone is actually doing something against him. He just has to think that is the case.

              Some of the best effective politicians I've ever seen, could be vindictive assholes. Pelosi, anyone?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • HoraceH Horace

                The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8

                I'm not sure this will come off as well as they think it will. But I'm sure the usual suspects will eat it up.

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                #80

                @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                The AP is reporting that the AP is suing the press secretary.

                There’s been movement on this. The judge, a Trump appointee, refused APs request for a TRO but then outright told the administration that the law and precedent is not on their side in this matter, setting some early dates for a preliminary injunction hearing.

                Then he gave them an out. Musing out loud, he said it would be different if they hadn’t outsourced press attendance decisions to the WH Correspondents Association.

                So the administration announced the following day that they are revoking the WHCA’s century-old role in managing the rotating pool of reporters that has access to small spaces like AF1 and the Oval Office.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #81

                  Pays to have good lawyers.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #82

                    Or in this case a judge giving free legal advice.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      Tom-K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #83

                      FWIW, the lawyers I hang out with (granted: in a liquored up state) think that this is a slam dunk for the AP. Even the SCOTUS will decide for them.

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #84

                        That is incorrect. Please inform those lawyers that they are wrong, and physically unattractive.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #85

                          Trump’s attorney gave it up in his first public statement.

                          The Brad

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                          • Tom-KT Tom-K

                            FWIW, the lawyers I hang out with (granted: in a liquored up state) think that this is a slam dunk for the AP. Even the SCOTUS will decide for them.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #86

                            @Tom-K said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                            FWIW, the lawyers I hang out with (granted: in a liquored up state) think that this is a slam dunk for the AP. Even the SCOTUS will decide for them.

                            The Trump appointed judge basically told Trumps team that. But then he offered them a potential out. Though it's unclear to me whenever making the change ex-post will help. We'll see.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
                              wrote on last edited by Horace
                              #87

                              I don't know what the whitehouse correspondent's association has to do with the legalities of the situation, but my intuitive reactions have been based on the decisions about who to ration the seats to, were made internally within the executive branch. maybe my intuitions would have been correct, if that were the case.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #88

                                When you lose Matt Taibbi…

                                https://www.racket.news/p/if-trump-blows-it-on-speech-the-world

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  When you lose Matt Taibbi…

                                  https://www.racket.news/p/if-trump-blows-it-on-speech-the-world

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #89

                                  @jon-nyc Don't tell me you subscribe to Taibbi.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #90

                                    No I don’t.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #91

                                      Opposition to free speech is becoming the central belief of the maga movement.

                                      https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5195881-trump-media-illegal/

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #92

                                        Opposition to coordinated media acting as a public relations arm of the Democrats is what he was talking about.

                                        The Russia Hoax and Hunter's Laptop come to mind...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #93

                                          Even if you weren’t deluded about both those things, it still wouldn’t matter.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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