Glad the free speech folks are in charge

[Jolly]

Opposition to coordinated media acting as a public relations arm of the Democrats is what he was talking about.

The Russia Hoax and Hunter's Laptop come to mind...

[jon-nyc]

Even if you weren’t deluded about both those things, it still wouldn’t matter.

[jon-nyc]

Tiberius was right. Most people don’t want freedom. They want a kind master. That’s certainly the case, to a person, with the maga movement.

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

Opposition to coordinated media acting as a public relations arm of the Democrats is what he was talking about.

When Fox execs had open conversations deciding to knowingly repeat Trump’s election lies rather than tell the truth and anger the credulous idiots that are the maga base, they were not breaking any laws. Their malicious greed-driven partisan lies were 100% protected by the 1A. The only reason it cost them almost $1B and Tucker his career was because they defamed a private party in the process.

[LuFins Dad]

I’ll agree regarding the emergency authorizations excepting the border. That had reached and surpassed an emergency.

If the other part of the free speech argument is the Columbia dude, this isn’t about free speech. The dude is welcome to say whatever he likes so long as:

1. he is not saying anything that is an incitement to lawless action. I think we would all agree that what he was saying on the megaphone was an incitement to violence and illegal trespass. And without the appropriate permits, even speaking to the group was lawless action.

2. The speech doesn’t contain “fighting words” or words and actions intended to provoke a violent reaction. Again, I believe we can all agree that he tried to provoke Jewish Students to violence.

3. The speech contains “true threats” defined by the courts as

the federal Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals applied a five-factor test to determine whether speech constitutes a true threat, including: (i) the reaction of the recipient of the threat and of other listeners; (ii) whether the threat was conditional; (iii) whether the threat was communicated directly to its victim; (iv) whether the maker of the threat had made similar statements to the victim in the past; and (v) whether the victim had reason to believe that the maker of the threat had a propensity to engage in violence.

I think we can all reasonably agree that the Jewish students on the campus felt there was a sincere true threats.

[xenon]

There’s a difference between connecting dots and specific actual threats made by a specific person.

What I mean by that is, compare this to the Skokie Nazis. Nazis think Jews should be killed. Hamas thinks Israelis should be killed. The Skokie Nazis were not making specify threats though - even the position of Nazis is clear.

But that alone isn’t enough to be a specific threat. Is there an allegation that Khalil made specific threats against other students? Genuine question.

[jon-nyc]

No. AG Bondi herself told the free press it’s not about him having broken any laws.

[jon-nyc]

[89th]

Wait, they'll go after people pushing the lies?

[Doctor Phibes]

What we really need is for them to make libel illegal. I know, that's kind of controversial, because it would mean there'd be lawsuits and stuff.

I don't know if you Americans are familiar with the concept of lawsuits, it probably has never happened over here.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

What we really need is for them to make libel illegal. I know, that's kind of controversial, because it would mean there'd be lawsuits and stuff.

I don't know if you Americans are familiar with the concept of lawsuits, it probably has never happened over here.

I suspect the manner in which these people will be "gone after" by the Trump admin, will be through legal processes.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

What we really need is for them to make libel illegal. I know, that's kind of controversial, because it would mean there'd be lawsuits and stuff.

I don't know if you Americans are familiar with the concept of lawsuits, it probably has never happened over here.

I suspect the manner in which these people will be "gone after" by the Trump admin, will be through legal processes.

To inevitably be followed by complaints about how terrible all these judges are and how life is so unfair.

I frequently lie awake at night worrying that one day I might inadvertently become a billionaire, with all the victimhood that would bring.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

@Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

What we really need is for them to make libel illegal. I know, that's kind of controversial, because it would mean there'd be lawsuits and stuff.

I don't know if you Americans are familiar with the concept of lawsuits, it probably has never happened over here.

I suspect the manner in which these people will be "gone after" by the Trump admin, will be through legal processes.

To inevitably be followed by complaints about how terrible all these judges are and how life is so unfair.

I frequently lie awake at night worrying that one day I might inadvertently become a billionaire, with all the victimhood that would bring.

Billionaires shouldn't complain. Hot take.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

What we really need is for them to make libel illegal. I know, that's kind of controversial, because it would mean there'd be lawsuits and stuff.

I don't know if you Americans are familiar with the concept of lawsuits, it probably has never happened over here.

I suspect the manner in which these people will be "gone after" by the Trump admin, will be through legal processes.

Show me the man, I’ll show you the crime.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

@Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

What we really need is for them to make libel illegal. I know, that's kind of controversial, because it would mean there'd be lawsuits and stuff.

I don't know if you Americans are familiar with the concept of lawsuits, it probably has never happened over here.

I suspect the manner in which these people will be "gone after" by the Trump admin, will be through legal processes.

Show me the man, I’ll show you the crime.

And just like that, legal process itself is suspect. I know, we can play rhetorical games all day. It's why this place is so compelling, everybody is convinced by craftily crafted words. Immerse each other in our emotional perspectives masquerading as reason. I love it!

[jon-nyc]

Well it isn’t actually illegal to spread lies and propaganda, which Elon Musk under appreciates. He’s almost certainly the single largest individual spreader of lies and propaganda the earth has ever seen.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

What we really need is for them to make libel illegal. I know, that's kind of controversial, because it would mean there'd be lawsuits and stuff.

I don't know if you Americans are familiar with the concept of lawsuits, it probably has never happened over here.

NYT vs. Sullivan

Been screaming it for years.

[Jolly]

One of the biggest lies in the history of the U S. was the Biden cover-up.

And none of you Trump hating muthafuckers said barely a word, except to lie and deny what everybody could see.

So pardon me if I doubt your veracity when it comes to this administration. I know you nitpicking nabobs of negativity would love to see this country fail, because winning has replaced what you think about the country and at least half the people who live in it

If I was close enough I'd spit on you.

[jon-nyc]

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but nobody here didn’t notice and comment on Biden’s obvious incapacity for the job.

And surely the Soviet Union and other nations have spread far more lies and propaganda. But Elon probably leads the world in doing so as an individual, out of all the human beings who have ever lived. No one in the past had the reach.

[Renauda]

@jon-nyc

He’s [Musk] almost certainly the single largest individual spreader of lies and propaganda the earth has ever seen.

I would say in the top three. He faces some pretty stiff competition for the top spot from Putin and even his own boss, Trump.