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  • George KG George K

    Hamas dude...

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    @George-K said in Mr. Clemency:

    Hamas dude...

    Is that guy a Hamas dude himself or does he just have a brother who is a Hamas dude?

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      @George-K said in Mr. Clemency:

      Hamas dude...

      Is that guy a Hamas dude himself or does he just have a brother who is a Hamas dude?

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      George K
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      @Axtremus said in Mr. Clemency:

      Is that guy a Hamas dude himself or does he just have a brother who is a Hamas dude?

      It's his half-brother, iirc. I'm sure that he had no association with the organization, right? RIGHT????

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @Axtremus said in Mr. Clemency:

        Is that guy a Hamas dude himself or does he just have a brother who is a Hamas dude?

        It's his half-brother, iirc. I'm sure that he had no association with the organization, right? RIGHT????

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        George K
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        @George-K said in Mr. Clemency:

        It's his half-brother, iirc. I'm sure that he had no association with the organization, right? RIGHT????

        Wrong:

        https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-833310

        Mashaal was sentenced for 20 years on charges of financing Hamas through the Holy Land Foundation. According to Israeli media, he has been released after serving 16 years, and will spend one year in a rehabilitation facility.

        Allegedly, the shortening of Mashaal's term comes alongside the shortening of four other American-Palestinians, including Muhammad al-Zain, a relative of Hamas Deputy Chairman Musa Abu Marzouk. The US court ruling, Arab media stated, means that the sentences will be shorter by "dozens of years."

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Offline
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          Klobuchar is throwing Joe under the bus on this - Face The Nation.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Horace
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            The pardon of Hunter is polling very badly, last I heard.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
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              All of it is. She dumped on the Hunter pardon too.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Horace
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                I wonder why prisoner swaps advantageous to the US, as per the pardon documents, are left to the last days of a last presidential term.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  He’s got over a month left. He could get a few thousand more pardons in easily.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    He’s got over a month left. He could get a few thousand more pardons in easily.

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                    Horace
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                    @jon-nyc said in Mr. Clemency:

                    He’s got over a month left. He could get a few thousand more pardons in easily.

                    In theory, he could pardon everybody on the planet in perpetuity.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      George K
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                      There are two takes to the reactions to clemency, afaict.

                      1. POTATUS just doesn't give a flying fuck what people think of him. He's at the end of his career, and he will fade off into the sunset with no influence.

                      2. The Democrats who realize that POTATUS is at the end of his career, and they owe him nothing any more and he can't hurt them. Finally speaking what they've been thinking.

                      He could get a few thousand more pardons in easily.

                      And considering #1 and #2 above, he probably will.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          George K
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                          @Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:

                          https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/biden-commutes-roughly-1500-sentences-pardons-39-people-116713842

                          https://freebeacon.com/biden-harris-administration/black-widow-who-murdered-3-ex-lovers-freed-in-bidens-historic-clemency-spree/

                          A Maryland woman dubbed the "Black Widow" for murdering two husbands and a boyfriend for insurance money is now free after President Joe Biden commuted her 40-year prison sentence, undercutting the White House's claim that Biden released only "non-violent" offenders in a clemency bonanza last week.

                          Among the 1,500 federal convicts granted clemency was Josephine Virginia Gray, who was sentenced to 40 years in prison in 2002 for insurance fraud schemes connected to the murders of three men between 1974 and 1996. Gray was resentenced to the same amount of time again in 2006 following a series of appeals.

                          The COVID-19 pandemic allowed Gray—and the rest of Biden's clemency recipients—to serve out their sentences in home confinement. Now, Biden has freed Gray altogether in what the White House called the "largest single-day grant of clemency in modern history." Biden, in order to correct historical "injustices," granted clemency to those "convicted of non-violent crimes who were sentenced under outdated laws, policies, and practices that left them with longer sentences than if the individuals were sentenced today," the White House said.

                          But Gray’s body count "puts the lie to [Biden’s claim that] these are non-violent offenders," according to a former federal prosecutor who handled her case.

                          "It pisses me off, as you can imagine," James Trusty, who prosecuted Gray as assistant U.S. attorney in Greenbelt, Md., told the Washington Free Beacon.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            It’s true they didn’t review the individual cases when they decided to grant clemency to all the folks on home confinement and that was disastrous in certain cases. To me the most notorious is the Pennsylvania judge who sent kids to private prisons for money.

                            But I’m not going to call them out for lying about only releasing non-violent offenders. This woman was only convicted of insurance fraud after all. It would be interesting to know why they didn’t charge or didn’t win the murder charges.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Does anybody think Biden is actually reviewing any of these cases?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                It’s true they didn’t review the individual cases when they decided to grant clemency to all the folks on home confinement and that was disastrous in certain cases. To me the most notorious is the Pennsylvania judge who sent kids to private prisons for money.

                                But I’m not going to call them out for lying about only releasing non-violent offenders. This woman was only convicted of insurance fraud after all. It would be interesting to know why they didn’t charge or didn’t win the murder charges.

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                                George K
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                                @jon-nyc said in Mr. Clemency:

                                This woman was only convicted of insurance fraud after all.

                                ...and not of killing three people to get the money.

                                That speaks worlds about our judicial system.

                                @Jolly said:

                                Does anybody think Biden is actually reviewing any of these cases?

                                I've heard of day-drinking, but that's just silly.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Man, how is Hunter going to paint so many pieces? Or is he selling prints now? Making money on the volume rather than margin?

                                  The Brad

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Does anybody think Biden is actually reviewing any of these cases?

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    @Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:

                                    Does anybody think Biden is actually reviewing any of these cases?

                                    I think these were decided as a class rather than individually. People convicted of non-violent offenses who were granted home confinement during Covid back when half the countries prisoners were testing positive. That program had its own requirements (non-violent, older or more at risk to COVID, etc) which they decided to trust. So you get a few cases like these.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      By the way all these 1500 were released from prison in 2020 by Trump.

                                      Just sayin’

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        It’s true they didn’t review the individual cases when they decided to grant clemency to all the folks on home confinement and that was disastrous in certain cases. To me the most notorious is the Pennsylvania judge who sent kids to private prisons for money.

                                        But I’m not going to call them out for lying about only releasing non-violent offenders. This woman was only convicted of insurance fraud after all. It would be interesting to know why they didn’t charge or didn’t win the murder charges.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Mr. Clemency:

                                        It’s true they didn’t review the individual cases when they decided to grant clemency to all the folks on home confinement

                                        Absolutely no excuse for that!!!!!!

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                                          George K
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                                          [Biden Weighs Commuting Sentences of Death Row Inmates](Biden Weighs Commuting Sentences of Death Row Inmates)

                                          President Biden is considering commuting the sentences of most, if not all, of the 40 men on the federal government’s death row, people familiar with the matter said, a move that would frustrate President-elect Donald Trump’s ability to resume the rapid pace of executions that marked his first term.

                                          A broad coalition of religious and civil-rights groups has been pressing Biden to take the step, and the effort gained momentum earlier this month after Pope Francis, in his weekly address, prayed for the commutation of America’s condemned inmates. If their death sentences were commuted, the prisoners, all convicted of murder, would serve life without parole. Biden, a devout Catholic, spoke with Francis on Thursday and is scheduled to meet with him at the Vatican next month, the White House said.

                                          A decision from the president could come by Christmas, some of the people said. A principal question is whether the president should issue a blanket commutation of all the condemned men, or whether death sentences should remain for the most heinous convicts, these people said.

                                          A White House spokesman said that no final decision had been made.

                                          Attorney General Merrick Garland, who oversees federal prisons, has recommended that Biden commute all but a handful of the sentences, the people familiar with the matter said, excepting a few terrorism and hate-crimes cases. The Justice Department had no immediate comment.

                                          Possible exceptions could include Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, convicted in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing that killed three and wounded more than 250 others, Robert Bowers, who killed 11 people in the 2018 attack on the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, and Dylann Roof, who in 2015 killed nine at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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