Mr. Clemency
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@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
BTW: Kinsinger said (two weeks ago) he would not accept a pardon because it makes him "look guilty."
"These are my principles, and if you don't like them, I have others."
Is it possible to refuse a pardon?
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Especially if it is not specific to you, but pardons a class that you happen to be a member of.
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Biden DOJ: Fauci admits guilt.
After President Joe Biden issued an eleventh-hour preemptive pardon for Dr. Anthony Fauci, the former chief medical adviser to the president told POLITICO he has “committed no crime” but appreciates the pardon.
The long-time National Institutes of Health scientist drew ire from Republicans for the handling of the Covid-19 pandemic and was expected to be targeted with legal action under the incoming Trump administration, as several Republican congresspeople and allies of the president-elect — including Steve Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist — have threatened retribution.
In a statement to POLITICO outlining his service at the NIH, including advising seven presidents, from Ronald Reagan to Biden, Fauci said he’s been the subject of politically motivated threats of investigation and prosecution.
“Let me be perfectly clear: I have committed no crime and there are no possible grounds for any allegation or threat of criminal investigation or prosecution of me,” he said.
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It unrings the bell and they know it. It's a bullshit response.
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Biden: That’s right, bitches!
Trump: Hold my McDonalds Supersize Coke
Yesterday even the J6 defendants who assaulted police officers.
Today a global drug dealer.
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
By the way, why does the Fauci's pardon backdate to 2014?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-has-biden-pardoned-anthony-fauci/
Joe Biden left it until the last minute to issue a pre-emptive pardon of Anthony Fauci for any offence committed since 2014 in his work on ‘the White House Coronavirus Task Force or the White House Covid-19 Response Team, or as Chief Medical Advisor to the President.’ Yet surely Covid began in 2019, not 2014?
The significance of 2014 is that this was when the Obama administration responded to anxiety among some scientists about a series of experiments that made influenza viruses potentially more dangerous to people – by banning federal funding for any such gain-of-function experiments.
Yet from June 2014 money flowed from Fauci’s National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases to support experimentswhich led to gain-of-functionin Wuhan in China via an organisation called the EcoHealth Alliance. There, SARS-like viruses ‘gained’ the function in certain experiments of becoming 10,000 times more infectious in humanised mice. (Both the NIH and EcoHealth Alliance have denied any wrongdoing.)
‘So let me get this straight: Fauci’s pardon goes all the way back to 2014, the year he started funding the labs that eventually helped create the chaos we’ve all been living through,’ wrote the science journalist Dr Simon Goddek on hearing news of the pardon.
Fauci hotly denied to Congress that he had ever funded gain of function experiments in Wuhan, telling senator Rand Paul ‘You do not know what you are talking about’. Heclaimed that one particular narrow definition of gain of function did not apply in this case because it did not include animal viruses, only human ones. Besides, the EcoHealth president, Peter Daszak, wrote an email in 2016 to Fauci’s colleague saying ‘we are very happy to hear that our gain of function research funding pause has been lifted’ (my emphasis).
Senator Paul was pulling no punches on Monday: ‘If there was ever any doubt as to who bears responsibility for the Covid pandemic, Biden’s pardon of Fauci forever seals the deal. As Chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee I will not rest until the entire truth of the coverup is exposed. Fauci’s pardon will only serve as an accelerant to pierce the veil of deception. Ignominious! Anthony Fauci will go down in history as the first government scientist to be preemptively pardoned for a crime.’
Had he been prosecuted by the Trump administration, Fauci could have been accused of at least three offences: funding research that was forbidden, some of which may have led to a terrible pandemic, lying to Congress about it and covering up evidence to obscure the origin of Covid.
His emails and testimonies relating to the early months of the pandemic appear to reveal a consistent pattern of trying to deflect attention from the possibility that the outbreak began with an accident in the very Wuhan laboratory his agency had had funded. In those early weeks, remember, people thought the epidemic would probably blow over and be soon forgotten rather than pored over by investigators for years.
A few days before the pardon was announced, Peter Daszak and EcoHealth were officially debarred from receiving future federal funding on the recommendation of Congress. Daszak was fired by EcoHealth at the same time, perhaps so he could receive severance payments, which resigning would not allow.
There is something approaching full-scale panic in the American scientific bureaucracy at what the Trump administration may reveal in the coming months about what went on in Wuhan with the support of American grants and American expertise.
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Burn it to the ground.
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Yeah but he backdated Milley to Jan 1, 2014 also.
Looks more like a template than a conspiracy.
As I said above.
When you shake someone's deep sense of self-worth, leaving a scar in their ego, they will persistently try to diminish you through petty arguments & obsessive captious criticism of your actions, just to soothe the wound.
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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@jon-nyc said in Mr. Clemency:
Biden: That’s right, bitches!
Trump: Hold my McDonalds Supersize Coke
Yesterday even the J6 defendants who assaulted police officers.
Today a global drug dealer.
As long as you're playing "What's worse?"
OK. What's worse J6 cop assaulters or someone who killed two FBI agents?
How about someone who commuted the sentences of ACTUAL Senate building bombers?
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@George-K we need to wait he’s just getting started.
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@Horace said in Mr. Clemency:
I think 2014 was chosen for a reason, for at least one of the pardoned. The rest got 2014 to make it seem like, nothing to see here, 2014 is just how it's done.
If that’s true, and who knows, probably Hunter.
I doubt anything NIH did with respect to GoF grants was illegal. It’s a big bureaucracy with rules, many checkpoints, and lots of lawyers. Grant making at the NIH is a very formal process (I know because we adopted it a number of years ago). Rules for grants, who’s eligible, requirements and constraints, are written by departments and reviewed by lawyers.
If we’re worried the NIH was insufficently careful in funding GoF research then it’s worth pursuing an investigation just to figure that out. That’s far more important than fantasizing about arresting an 80 year old man.
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@jon-nyc said in Mr. Clemency:
Yeah but he backdated Milley to Jan 1, 2014 also.
At which point he was commanding the third army stationed in Ft Hood Tx.
By 2015 he had been moved to another command at Ft Liberty in NC.
As far as I know neither are biolabs researching viruses.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
Have all the charged been tried?
Yes.
From the White House info
(a) commute the sentences of the following individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, to time served as of January 20, 2025:(list of names)
(b) grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all other individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021;
