What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha
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@George-K said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
In other words, all that likely happened is that the same sources who claimed to Jeffrey Goldberg, with no evidence, that Trump said this went to other outlets and repeated the same claims — the same tactic that enabled MSNBC and CBS to claim they had “confirmed” the fundamentally false CNN story about Trump Jr. receiving advanced access to the WikiLeaks archive.
I remember the good old days when Dan Rather quit because "just because the evidence is fake doesn't mean it isn't true".
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@George-K said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
In other words, all that likely happened is that the same sources who claimed to Jeffrey Goldberg, with no evidence, that Trump said this went to other outlets and repeated the same claims — the same tactic that enabled MSNBC and CBS to claim they had “confirmed” the fundamentally false CNN story about Trump Jr. receiving advanced access to the WikiLeaks archive.
I remember the good old days when Dan Rather quit because "just because the evidence is fake doesn't mean it isn't true".
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There was a lot of "We defend anonymous sources, just look at Deep Throat!" talk today.
OK, fine.
The fact that Deep Throat was in jeopardy on a legal basis is exactly like Goldberg's comment about "mean tweets."
Exactly.
Again, I'm not saying that what these people are saying is false. I'm saying that the medium they used to say it has a shaky history of honesty, and that is shown in the "weather" claim they purported. I'm also saying that Jennifer Griffin's "confirmation" is simply rehashing what the same people said to The Atlantic.
How about some independent reporting, like...Bolton?
And, for the record, as I've said, Trump's a boor.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Mik said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
He is. But his polices are better aligned with my thinking.
And there, in a nutshell, is the problem with today's politics.
Personality is conflated with policy.
I'm not sure I could stand to be in the same room with the man, though I could stand to be in the same room with The President of The United States (who happens to be Donald Trump).
As that great line from "Band of Brothers" said, "You salute the rank, not the man."
POTUS 44 won a significant part of the electorate because of his personality
and the fact that he was half-white. As Joe Biden said, he was "clean and articulate." -
Want to know why this story came out? To keep people from talking about the real news story that day - Joe Biden and his son have both been formally named in a criminal case making it's way through Ukrainian court regarding the illegal extortion by Biden that ended up with the prosecutor being fired.
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Looks like this stupid piece didn’t even survive a week. Another In the endless line of duds. Look at how many fell for it though simply because they wanted to. The so called bias experts caught in their own do loop.
@Loki said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
Looks like this stupid piece didn’t even survive a week. Another In the endless line of duds. Look at how many fell for it though simply because they wanted to. The so called bias experts caught in their own do loop.
Oh, the guys at The Atlantic say they have more.
Drip. Drip. Drip.
That's the plan.
Which would be fun if Trump wins reelection. Imagine the raspberry heard around the world.
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@Loki said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
Looks like this stupid piece didn’t even survive a week. Another In the endless line of duds. Look at how many fell for it though simply because they wanted to. The so called bias experts caught in their own do loop.
Oh, the guys at The Atlantic say they have more.
Drip. Drip. Drip.
That's the plan.
Which would be fun if Trump wins reelection. Imagine the raspberry heard around the world.
@Jolly said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
Which would be fun if Trump wins reelection.
I, too, would enjoy to see certain heads explode in that case. But I would also enjoy to see another set of heads explode if Biden wins. I can't quite decide yet which one would be more fun.
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@Jolly said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
Which would be fun if Trump wins reelection.
I, too, would enjoy to see certain heads explode in that case. But I would also enjoy to see another set of heads explode if Biden wins. I can't quite decide yet which one would be more fun.
@Klaus said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
@Jolly said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
Which would be fun if Trump wins reelection.
I, too, would enjoy to see certain heads explode in that case. But I would also enjoy to see another set of heads explode if Biden wins. I can't quite decide yet which one would be more fun.
Take a tour through WTF and TNCR and tell the the personality types that are more unstable around whichever politician happens to be elected. Or extrapolate that to pop culture in general. Or even better yet, eschew the common tack of equalizing both political sides and explore the systematic psychological differences between the two. Self selected groups should be fruitful for such explorations.
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@Klaus said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
@Jolly said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
Which would be fun if Trump wins reelection.
I, too, would enjoy to see certain heads explode in that case. But I would also enjoy to see another set of heads explode if Biden wins. I can't quite decide yet which one would be more fun.
Take a tour through WTF and TNCR and tell the the personality types that are more unstable around whichever politician happens to be elected. Or extrapolate that to pop culture in general. Or even better yet, eschew the common tack of equalizing both political sides and explore the systematic psychological differences between the two. Self selected groups should be fruitful for such explorations.
@Horace said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
@Klaus said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
@Jolly said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
Which would be fun if Trump wins reelection.
I, too, would enjoy to see certain heads explode in that case. But I would also enjoy to see another set of heads explode if Biden wins. I can't quite decide yet which one would be more fun.
Take a tour through WTF and TNCR and tell the the personality types that are more unstable around whichever politician happens to be elected. Or extrapolate that to pop culture in general. Or even better yet, eschew the common tack of equalizing both political sides and explore the systematic psychological differences between the two. Self selected groups should be fruitful for such explorations.
The only truly terrible President in my lifetime was Jimmy Carter. Too young to remember Gerald Ford. It’s just the oppressiveness of having to listen to facist idealists that bothers me and why I would like to see them lose.
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There was a lot of "We defend anonymous sources, just look at Deep Throat!" talk today.
OK, fine.
The fact that Deep Throat was in jeopardy on a legal basis is exactly like Goldberg's comment about "mean tweets."
Exactly.
Again, I'm not saying that what these people are saying is false. I'm saying that the medium they used to say it has a shaky history of honesty, and that is shown in the "weather" claim they purported. I'm also saying that Jennifer Griffin's "confirmation" is simply rehashing what the same people said to The Atlantic.
How about some independent reporting, like...Bolton?
And, for the record, as I've said, Trump's a boor.
@George-K said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
There was a lot of "We defend anonymous sources, just look at Deep Throat!" talk today.
Deep Throat told them where to look. But they still produced their own hard evidence. That's a huge difference.
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@George-K said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
There was a lot of "We defend anonymous sources, just look at Deep Throat!" talk today.
Deep Throat told them where to look. But they still produced their own hard evidence. That's a huge difference.
@Aqua-Letifer said in What bothers me about the trump veterans brouhaha:
That's a huge difference.
Exactly. That kind of comparison is weak. Do the "legwork," Mr. "Journalist," don't report what unnamed people tell you.
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What a bizarre world we live in:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-denies-atlantic-report-trump-soliders-france
Atlantic, where is your promised follow up?
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So, do we believe John Bolton? If so, then we should believe the things he said also in his book, no?
