So how should I resign?
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 16:06 last edited by
With her being fired.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 16:26 last edited by
Yeah. You’re good. Now she’s in the hole and digging further.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 16:32 last edited by
Don't try to take that shovel out of her hands. She's doing fine. For you to reformat all that sounds like she was trying to set YOU up because that would have been a complete waste of time. Which is entirely possible
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 16:38 last edited by
This is good news. She's gone too far, and finally done it in a way that the execs can see. They probably have been waiting for this moment. I'm betting they are eager to be rid of her with documented cause.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 17:02 last edited by
Straight up, you all are smarter than me about all this. You're all saying everything my boss is saying. I think it's much more likely my boss and I lose our jobs early next week. She's already got HR vouching for her always. If the CEO decides to back her, too, we're sunk.
CEO's EA is still livid. Just got off the phone with her. She's inserting herself into this, too, so there's that.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 17:07 last edited by
female(with HR) vs white male under 40
You lose
Sorry, but privilege has a cost
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 17:16 last edited by
I suspect the biggest problem isn't Aqua's innate privilege, more likely it's her pay-grade.
Still, they could get rid of a very expensive looney-toon.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 17:26 last edited by Mik
When an exec continually has conflicts with an employee eventually they start looking at the exec. That should happen here, especially since you just did what she asked you to do. If she wnted it reformatted she should have made that clear up front.
Again, if you you don't tell people what you want, don't blame them if you don't get it.
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I suspect the biggest problem isn't Aqua's innate privilege, more likely it's her pay-grade.
Still, they could get rid of a very expensive looney-toon.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 17:27 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in So how should I resign?:
I suspect the biggest problem isn't Aqua's innate privilege, more likely it's her pay-grade.
Still, they could get rid of a very expensive looney-toon.
Management does not like problem children. The only reason they have suffered her this long, is because she's female.
She has now become an irritant.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 17:53 last edited by
She's speaking with HR, apparently, making her move. Likely Waterloo will be Monday-Tuesday next week. I've already had a Notice of Final Action against me, and our HR "consultant" would very much love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect for my friends, and jumping ship right damn now.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 18:02 last edited by
You didn't do anything here, unless you wrote to the originator in language that implied 'this dumb bitch has these silly-ass concerns. Please comment'. If your language was neutral and helpful she's got nothing.
Even if you do get fired you can be sure that she will not be far behind. Either that or the organization will see a talent exodus.
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You didn't do anything here, unless you wrote to the originator in language that implied 'this dumb bitch has these silly-ass concerns. Please comment'. If your language was neutral and helpful she's got nothing.
Even if you do get fired you can be sure that she will not be far behind. Either that or the organization will see a talent exodus.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 18:04 last edited by@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
You didn't do anything here, unless you wrote to the originator in language that implied 'this dumb bitch has these silly-ass concerns. Please comment'. If your language was neutral and helpful she's got nothing.
Nope, my boss and I went over that very thoroughly. We're good there.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 18:14 last edited by
I have nothing to add to the thoughts that everyone else has expressed.
Just hope it works out for you - and I think it will.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 20:36 last edited by
@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
h love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect foMy guess is that HR may be facing their own issues from this. You mentioned that HR actually made this hire? And they keep backing her? On top of that, who filed the Notice of Final Action and what was that concerning? If it was based on all of these recent interactions with this lady, your HR person may be sweating.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
h love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect foMy guess is that HR may be facing their own issues from this. You mentioned that HR actually made this hire? And they keep backing her? On top of that, who filed the Notice of Final Action and what was that concerning? If it was based on all of these recent interactions with this lady, your HR person may be sweating.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:38 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in So how should I resign?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
h love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect foMy guess is that HR may be facing their own issues from this. You mentioned that HR actually made this hire? And they keep backing her? On top of that, who filed the Notice of Final Action and what was that concerning? If it was based on all of these recent interactions with this lady, your HR person may be sweating.
It was a joke taken very seriously by HR and the dept. head. She basically signed me up to work Mother's Day Sunday without really telling me that was the plan, so when I told her I'd be unavailable she lost her shit and told me I needed to clear all my weekend activities with her. I clarified this in an e-mail by asking her if I understood that correctly. (I was documenting.)
Apparently that was belligerent, disrespectful, and antagonistic, which the HR person agreed. We all had a meeting in which they read me the riot act, and asked me to sign a document confirming that I understood the allegations, and that if there was ever another incident, I would be summarily fired. I signed, but in the comments section, I mentioned that I was concerned that when I reached out to HR about previous issues with the department head regarding office bullying, she directed me to speak to the department head about it and further, when I did, both of them agreed that bullying allegations of that nature need to be directed to the department head, even if the allegations are directed at the department head. All this was said to me in the meeting, and my boss was on the call. Further, they didn't deny it. So that's in the final action notice. I sent them back a scanned PDF so they couldn't delete that part of it without some serious file manipulation.
So that was that.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:55 last edited by
I remember that incident, but they said the fact that you asked for clarification and were documenting the email chain was bullying, antagonistic, and disrespectful? They then proceeded to bully you and document it with an official notice?
Yeah, this HR person is getting nervous.
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@LuFins-Dad said in So how should I resign?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
h love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect foMy guess is that HR may be facing their own issues from this. You mentioned that HR actually made this hire? And they keep backing her? On top of that, who filed the Notice of Final Action and what was that concerning? If it was based on all of these recent interactions with this lady, your HR person may be sweating.
It was a joke taken very seriously by HR and the dept. head. She basically signed me up to work Mother's Day Sunday without really telling me that was the plan, so when I told her I'd be unavailable she lost her shit and told me I needed to clear all my weekend activities with her. I clarified this in an e-mail by asking her if I understood that correctly. (I was documenting.)
Apparently that was belligerent, disrespectful, and antagonistic, which the HR person agreed. We all had a meeting in which they read me the riot act, and asked me to sign a document confirming that I understood the allegations, and that if there was ever another incident, I would be summarily fired. I signed, but in the comments section, I mentioned that I was concerned that when I reached out to HR about previous issues with the department head regarding office bullying, she directed me to speak to the department head about it and further, when I did, both of them agreed that bullying allegations of that nature need to be directed to the department head, even if the allegations are directed at the department head. All this was said to me in the meeting, and my boss was on the call. Further, they didn't deny it. So that's in the final action notice. I sent them back a scanned PDF so they couldn't delete that part of it without some serious file manipulation.
So that was that.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:55 last edited by George K@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
I needed to clear ALL my weekend activities with her.
(emphasis added)
What the actual fuck?
Does that include, "I'm going to ride my bike?" How about "I plan to have sex with my wife?" or, "I plan to shower on Sunday morning?"
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@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
I needed to clear ALL my weekend activities with her.
(emphasis added)
What the actual fuck?
Does that include, "I'm going to ride my bike?" How about "I plan to have sex with my wife?" or, "I plan to shower on Sunday morning?"
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:59 last edited by@George-K said in So how should I resign?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
I needed to clear ALL my weekend activities with her.
(emphasis added)
What the actual fuck?
Does that include, "I'm going to ride my bike?" How about "I plan to have sex with my wife?" or, "I plan to shower on Sunday morning?"
Thing is, what the dept. head meant (I believe) was, "if I need you to be available, you need to know that and tell me ahead of time that you have plans so that I can tell you whether or not I need you to cancel them." But I think the email was sent in anger and so the language wasn't the clearest. Just a guess.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 22:06 last edited by
Nonetheless, that is the written trail. Intent is unlikely to override specificity should push come to shove.
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Nonetheless, that is the written trail. Intent is unlikely to override specificity should push come to shove.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 22:10 last edited by@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
Nonetheless, that is the written trail. Intent is unlikely to override specificity should push come to shove.
Exactly. That email says that you must be available ALL THE TIME. Is that part of your job description? I'd guess not.
And, as Mik says, it's in writing, and vague enough to be actionable.