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  • G George K
    6 Dec 2024, 02:06

    @taiwan_girl said in The Hegseth "incident.":

    He's done. I expect a "withdraw my nomination" statement later today.

    I agree - though maybe over the weekend.

    Although I found the allegations against him to be a bit dodgy - especially the "rape"accusation - his qualifications always seemed to be a bit on the thin side.

    Because you've done tours into a war zone, and your "buddies" support you, that's not enough to head a huge government department.

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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 12:45 last edited by
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    @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

    Because you've done tours into a war zone, and your "buddies" support you, that's not enough to head a huge government department.

    The reality is he was chosen because of his celebrity more than his combat experience. After all, there are thousands of people with that. And doing Fox stuff definitely doesn't prepare anybody for running a government department.

    I was only joking

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 13:09 last edited by
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      I think a lot of you are forgetting his masters degree in Public Policy and the several books that he’s written detailing the inadequacies of today’s military and list ls multiple ways to fix those inadequacies. Those books are very highly regarded among retired military officers.

      It’s a mistake to dismiss him out of hand as being a celebrity pick. Quite frankly, the weekend cohost of Fox & Friends is hardly great celebrity. The guy is a serious military pedagogue.

      The Brad

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      • L LuFins Dad
        6 Dec 2024, 13:09

        I think a lot of you are forgetting his masters degree in Public Policy and the several books that he’s written detailing the inadequacies of today’s military and list ls multiple ways to fix those inadequacies. Those books are very highly regarded among retired military officers.

        It’s a mistake to dismiss him out of hand as being a celebrity pick. Quite frankly, the weekend cohost of Fox & Friends is hardly great celebrity. The guy is a serious military pedagogue.

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        George K
        wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 13:11 last edited by
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        @LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":

        I think a lot of you are forgetting his masters degree in Public Policy and the several books that he’s written detailing the inadequacies of today’s military

        Forgotten? I was unaware.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 13:13 last edited by
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          I forget nothing. I know little.

          I was only joking

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 13:21 last edited by
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            The media will focus on the women in combat, removal of trans soldiers, firing the woke generals, etc…

            They aren’t talking about the ideas of completely revamping the promotion structure of the military. The new education programs for training officers, etc… They also are ignoring his take on the very nature of the purpose of the military.

            The Brad

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            • J Jolly
              6 Dec 2024, 02:12

              Give him a vote.

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 14:10 last edited by taiwan_girl 12 Jun 2024, 14:12
              #93

              @Jolly

              Give him a vote.

              I dont think that President Trump would want that.

              WIthdraw is better than a "no" vote for him.

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                George K
                wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 14:49 last edited by
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                Washington Post yesterday:

                Such awards were issued somewhat liberally throughout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, experts say. Awardees of the meritorious service medal are predominantly military officers like Hegseth, data provided by the military shows. While many officers have risked their lives on the battlefield, the majority of fighting and exposure to danger is performed by the enlisted troops they command.

                Ah...wait, he DID serve in combat the explain.

                Hegseth also received a Combat Infantryman Badge, which is awarded when infantry soldiers and officers engage an enemy in combat.

                For the Washington Post in 2018 a Bronze Star was something to be mentioned, a lot. And they don't comment that it was issued "liberally."

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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 15:22 last edited by
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                  Imagine undermining and denigrating a former combat soldiers experience like that just for political reasons. Shameful!

                  I was only joking

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                  • D Doctor Phibes
                    6 Dec 2024, 15:22

                    Imagine undermining and denigrating a former combat soldiers experience like that just for political reasons. Shameful!

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                    George K
                    wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 15:35 last edited by
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                    Imagine undermining and denigrating a former combat soldiers experience like that just for political reasons. Shameful!

                    If Hegseth gets confirmed, and I have my doubts, at least he won't go AWOL for 7-10 days without telling POTUS.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 15:39 last edited by
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                      https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5024462-blumenthal-republican-senators-hegseth/?email=467cb6399cb7df64551775e431052b43a775c749&emaila=12a6d4d069cd56cfddaa391c24eb7042&emailb=054528e7403871c79f668e49dd3c44b1ec00c7f611bf9388f76bb2324d6ca5f3&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12.05.24. — Defense %26 National Security

                      From Sen. Blumenthal

                      “The power of the presidency, not to mention this president-elect, and what the retribution might be, I think, is pretty daunting, and so I think Republicans are reluctant to step forward and be the first one, but I think privately, they’re much readier to advise the president that the better part of wisdom would be to urge withdrawal of this nomination.”

                      “I’d be surprised if we’re still talking about Hegseth at the end of the week or by Monday,” Blumenthal added.

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                      • T taiwan_girl
                        6 Dec 2024, 15:39

                        https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5024462-blumenthal-republican-senators-hegseth/?email=467cb6399cb7df64551775e431052b43a775c749&emaila=12a6d4d069cd56cfddaa391c24eb7042&emailb=054528e7403871c79f668e49dd3c44b1ec00c7f611bf9388f76bb2324d6ca5f3&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12.05.24. — Defense %26 National Security

                        From Sen. Blumenthal

                        “The power of the presidency, not to mention this president-elect, and what the retribution might be, I think, is pretty daunting, and so I think Republicans are reluctant to step forward and be the first one, but I think privately, they’re much readier to advise the president that the better part of wisdom would be to urge withdrawal of this nomination.”

                        “I’d be surprised if we’re still talking about Hegseth at the end of the week or by Monday,” Blumenthal added.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 15:48 last edited by
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                        @taiwan_girl said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                        Sen. Blumenthal

                        The guy who pretended to be a VietNam vet....

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • G George K
                          6 Dec 2024, 15:35

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                          Imagine undermining and denigrating a former combat soldiers experience like that just for political reasons. Shameful!

                          If Hegseth gets confirmed, and I have my doubts, at least he won't go AWOL for 7-10 days without telling POTUS.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 15:49 last edited by
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                          @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                          Imagine undermining and denigrating a former combat soldiers experience like that just for political reasons. Shameful!

                          If Hegseth gets confirmed, and I have my doubts, at least he won't go AWOL for 7-10 days without telling POTUS.

                          Let's hope he doesn't get taken prisoner. Trump hates that.

                          I was only joking

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 18:41 last edited by
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                            Time for introspection...

                            The military industrial arms business is a trillion dollar business. The Defense Department is ripe with inefficiencies and crony politics. Money flows through the system in a torrent and nobody even tries to account for the individual drops. Corporations and individuals are getting filthy rich.

                            So ask yourself...Why the concerted push to kill the nomination?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 19:27 last edited by
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                              Because he’s obviously unqualified and a bit of a tool.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • J jon-nyc
                                6 Dec 2024, 19:27

                                Because he’s obviously unqualified and a bit of a tool.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 20:40 last edited by
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                                @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                Because he’s obviously unqualified and a bit of a tool.

                                Because he may have problems, but there's a hatchet job going on. All the won't go on the record sources scream it.

                                Why?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • J Jolly
                                  6 Dec 2024, 18:41

                                  Time for introspection...

                                  The military industrial arms business is a trillion dollar business. The Defense Department is ripe with inefficiencies and crony politics. Money flows through the system in a torrent and nobody even tries to account for the individual drops. Corporations and individuals are getting filthy rich.

                                  So ask yourself...Why the concerted push to kill the nomination?

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                                  Tom-K
                                  wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 21:23 last edited by
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                                  @Jolly said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                  Time for introspection...

                                  So ask yourself...Why the concerted push to kill the nomination?

                                  It seems that's just the way these things go for Republicans. Kavanaugh was kicked pretty hard because of a high school party that he might or not have attended, Barrett was attacked for going to church on Sunday.

                                  Yet the Democrats have guys like this in positions of power.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 22:44 last edited by Jolly 12 Jun 2024, 22:48
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                                    Listened to a guy today, filling in for Hannity. He said he'd done the weekend Fox & Friends show multiple times and had never detected any alcohol on Pete. He reached out this week to the other two hosts on the show, and both denied being contacted by anybody about Pete, and both stated they had never smelled alcohol on Pete.

                                    Furthermore, they talked about show prep and performance. Hegseth seems to always be prepared and has never had any type of on-air problem.

                                    Unnamed sources, indeed.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 22:50 last edited by
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                                      Again, women may be what sinks Hegseth.

                                      But let it be named sources...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • J jon-nyc
                                        6 Dec 2024, 19:27

                                        Because he’s obviously unqualified and a bit of a tool.

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 23:19 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                        Because he’s obviously unqualified....

                                        This. As I said when he was first nominated, who can objectively look at his resume and say with a straight face that his background makes him qualified to run a multi billion dollar "company" with hundreds of thousands of employees.

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                                        • T taiwan_girl
                                          6 Dec 2024, 23:19

                                          @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                          Because he’s obviously unqualified....

                                          This. As I said when he was first nominated, who can objectively look at his resume and say with a straight face that his background makes him qualified to run a multi billion dollar "company" with hundreds of thousands of employees.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 23:46 last edited by
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                                          @taiwan_girl said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                          @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                          Because he’s obviously unqualified....

                                          This. As I said when he was first nominated, who can objectively look at his resume and say with a straight face that his background makes him qualified to run a multi billion dollar "company" with hundreds of thousands of employees.

                                          Do you really think secretaries of <whatever large governmental organization> in past administrations are mostly people qualified to be CEOs of large private companies? I mean, I haven't checked, but I would assume they don't often have those resumes either. Would a day in the life of a cabinet member be similar to a day in the life of a CEO? I don't know. I do know that the current secretary took 8 days off without telling anybody, and he almost got away with nobody even noticing.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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