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Make America Responsible Again

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 02:29 last edited by
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    Heather McDonald’s take in City Journal.

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/make-america-responsible-again

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 02:48 last edited by
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      That’s actually the more traditional conservative take…

      The Brad

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 02:49 last edited by
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        And ultimately correct.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Horace
          wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 03:06 last edited by
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          Heather Macdonald is a heck of a lot of fun on podcasts. One of my favorite listens.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Mik
            wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 03:19 last edited by
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            Regardless of the cause, the remedy demands individual responsibility.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 04:50 last edited by
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              Yeah. The idea that we’ll ban, say, FD&C Yellow #5 and discover the One Weird Trick to cure obesity seems fanciful.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 11:20 last edited by
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                The article has multiple good points, but it boils down to Nancy Reagan philosophy and it's going to take more than that.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 11:28 last edited by
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                  Anybody who visits Europe (or even the UK) can see the difference in lifestyle from North America. The amount I used to walk when I lived in Britain to what I do now is a massive factor in determining my current rather rotund body shape.

                  I don't see how RFK is going to change this. Sure, all European packaged food lists the E-numbers (artificial additives), but compared to the fact that I could and would walk to the shops....?

                  I was only joking

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                    89th
                    wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 12:59 last edited by
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                    Yeah it's really comparing caramel apples to oranginas.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 13:06 last edited by
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                      It is mildly amusing that conservatives appear to be supporting legislating away obesity, since personal responsibility clearly doesn't work. I thought that was the liberal way of failing to solve problems.

                      I was only joking

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                        19 Nov 2024, 13:06

                        It is mildly amusing that conservatives appear to be supporting legislating away obesity, since personal responsibility clearly doesn't work. I thought that was the liberal way of failing to solve problems.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 13:19 last edited by
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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Make America Responsible Again:

                        It is mildly amusing that conservatives appear to be supporting legislating away obesity, since personal responsibility clearly doesn't work. I thought that was the liberal way of failing to solve problems.

                        I don't think you can legislate your way out of this, but what you can do is provide better information for a modern society, untainted by Big Ag. For instance, the Food Pyramid is widely acknowledged to be wrong. Or we're talking about cutting junk food from food stamps, when many of these people don't know how to cook with healthy choices.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • D Doctor Phibes
                          19 Nov 2024, 13:06

                          It is mildly amusing that conservatives appear to be supporting legislating away obesity, since personal responsibility clearly doesn't work. I thought that was the liberal way of failing to solve problems.

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                          89th
                          wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 13:33 last edited by
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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Make America Responsible Again:

                          It is mildly amusing that conservatives appear to be supporting legislating away obesity, since personal responsibility clearly doesn't work. I thought that was the liberal way of failing to solve problems.

                          It's also amusing considering Trump is morbidly obese.

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                            19 Nov 2024, 13:19

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Make America Responsible Again:

                            It is mildly amusing that conservatives appear to be supporting legislating away obesity, since personal responsibility clearly doesn't work. I thought that was the liberal way of failing to solve problems.

                            I don't think you can legislate your way out of this, but what you can do is provide better information for a modern society, untainted by Big Ag. For instance, the Food Pyramid is widely acknowledged to be wrong. Or we're talking about cutting junk food from food stamps, when many of these people don't know how to cook with healthy choices.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 13:35 last edited by
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                            @Jolly said in Make America Responsible Again:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Make America Responsible Again:

                            It is mildly amusing that conservatives appear to be supporting legislating away obesity, since personal responsibility clearly doesn't work. I thought that was the liberal way of failing to solve problems.

                            I don't think you can legislate your way out of this, but what you can do is provide better information for a modern society, untainted by Big Ag. For instance, the Food Pyramid is widely acknowledged to be wrong. Or we're talking about cutting junk food from food stamps, when many of these people don't know how to cook with healthy choices.

                            It seems to me that an addiction to good old fashioned sugar is the source of a lot of America's dietary problems. I can't remember which movie it was, but they essentially said the food industry has managed to convince people that fat is bad, whereas added sugar isn't really a problem. The reality is quite possibly the complete opposite.

                            I was only joking

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                              George K
                              wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 13:45 last edited by
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                              Remember when they said eggs were bad for you because of cholesterol?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                89th
                                wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 14:05 last edited by
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                                <spits egg all over my keyboard>

                                I just ate two hard boiled eggs about 45 seconds ago.

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                                  19 Nov 2024, 14:05

                                  <spits egg all over my keyboard>

                                  I just ate two hard boiled eggs about 45 seconds ago.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 14:12 last edited by
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                                  @89th hard-boiled eggs are a great snack.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    19 Nov 2024, 13:45

                                    Remember when they said eggs were bad for you because of cholesterol?

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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 14:18 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                                    @George-K said in Make America Responsible Again:

                                    Remember when they said eggs were bad for you because of cholesterol?

                                    I don't mind being told stuff which turns out to be wrong if it was a mistake, and they admit the mistake. I do mind when it isn't a mistake.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 19 Nov 2024, 15:09 last edited by
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                                      Food pyramid.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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