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Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming

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    George K
    wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 12:39 last edited by George K
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    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39545366/

    "Twenty-five papers were considered for systematic review, while 17 studies were included for meta-analysis. There was significant statistical heterogeneity across the included studies. Among transwomen who had undergone vaginoplasty, pelvic organ prolapse occurred in 1%-7.5% of patients, urinary incontinence affected up to 15% of patients, while urinary irritative symptoms up to 20%. Sexual dysfunctions were reported by 25%-75% of patients. Among transmen who underwent hysterectomy and phalloplasty, pelvic organ prolapse occurred in 3.8% of patients, urinary incontinence affected up to 50% of patients, while urinary irritative symptoms up to 37%. Finally, sexual dysfunctions were reported by 54% of patients."

    Males who underwent vaginoplasty:
    Organ prolapse: up to 7.5%
    Urinary incontinence: up to 15%
    Irritative urinary symptoms: up to 20%
    Sexual dysfunction: up to 75%

    Females who underwent hysterectomy/phalloplasty:
    Organ prolapse: up to 3.8%
    Urinary incontinence: up to 50%
    Irritative urinary symptoms: up to 37%
    Sexual dysfunction: up to 54%


    How could anyone recommend a "therapy" in which half the people end up with sexual dysfunction.

    "You have a 15% chance of becoming incontinent of urine. Still want to proceed?"

    ETA: Wait a minute. Am I reading this correctly - 46% of women who have a phalloplasty do NOT have sexual dysfunction?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Klaus
      wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 13:22 last edited by
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      Well, I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 13:28 last edited by
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        Oh yeah? Well incontinence is 100% when you die! Nobody can control their bowels then! And that’s what will happen if you don’t trans your kid! Do you want a dead daughter with 100% chance incontinence and 85% chance of sexual dysfunction, or a living son that only pees himself a little?

        The Brad

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        • K Klaus
          18 Nov 2024, 13:22

          Well, I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

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          George K
          wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 13:32 last edited by George K
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          @Klaus said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

          I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

          Being unable to get and maintain an erection would qualify.
          Being unable to sense "vaginal" penetration would qualify.
          Dysparunia would qualify.

          @LuFins-Dad , LOL.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 13:34 last edited by
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            Stop genociding me, boomer!

            The Brad

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 13:37 last edited by jon-nyc
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              Oddly Wikipedia says pelvic organ prolapse occurs in 9.8% of women worldwide. I’m guessing that’s mostly older women and the people transitioning are much younger on average. Probably includes really minor cases too.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • G George K
                18 Nov 2024, 13:32

                @Klaus said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

                I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

                Being unable to get and maintain an erection would qualify.
                Being unable to sense "vaginal" penetration would qualify.
                Dysparunia would qualify.

                @LuFins-Dad , LOL.

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                Klaus
                wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 13:38 last edited by Klaus
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                @George-K said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

                @Klaus said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

                I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

                Being unable to get and maintain an erection would qualify.
                Being unable to sense "vaginal" penetration would qualify.
                Dysparunia would qualify.

                I assume dysfunction is measured relative to the "best case" outcome of the procedure,
                which I assume would be something like "you can manually inflate the fake penis or have
                a semi-rigid fake penis and you feel some kind of sexual arousal during intercourse and don't feel pain".

                In particular, it's not measured relative to how healthy biological men have sex.

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                  18 Nov 2024, 13:37

                  Oddly Wikipedia says pelvic organ prolapse occurs in 9.8% of women worldwide. I’m guessing that’s mostly older women and the people transitioning are much younger on average. Probably includes really minor cases too.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 13:43 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

                  Wikipedia says pelvic organ prolapse occurs in 9.8% of women worldwide

                  Yup. Vaginal prolapse and rectal prolapse are very common and I've been involved with a ton of operations to repair that.

                  But, there's a difference between something that occurs (usually) as a result of childbirth and something that is caused by surgery. I know, I'm splitting pubic hairs here, but the fact stands that a surgical procedure has an 8% chance of causing a problem that would not occur without the procedure.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 18 Nov 2024, 20:48 last edited by
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                    Some wise person said somewhere "First, do no harm."

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

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