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Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39545366/

    "Twenty-five papers were considered for systematic review, while 17 studies were included for meta-analysis. There was significant statistical heterogeneity across the included studies. Among transwomen who had undergone vaginoplasty, pelvic organ prolapse occurred in 1%-7.5% of patients, urinary incontinence affected up to 15% of patients, while urinary irritative symptoms up to 20%. Sexual dysfunctions were reported by 25%-75% of patients. Among transmen who underwent hysterectomy and phalloplasty, pelvic organ prolapse occurred in 3.8% of patients, urinary incontinence affected up to 50% of patients, while urinary irritative symptoms up to 37%. Finally, sexual dysfunctions were reported by 54% of patients."

    Males who underwent vaginoplasty:
    Organ prolapse: up to 7.5%
    Urinary incontinence: up to 15%
    Irritative urinary symptoms: up to 20%
    Sexual dysfunction: up to 75%

    Females who underwent hysterectomy/phalloplasty:
    Organ prolapse: up to 3.8%
    Urinary incontinence: up to 50%
    Irritative urinary symptoms: up to 37%
    Sexual dysfunction: up to 54%


    How could anyone recommend a "therapy" in which half the people end up with sexual dysfunction.

    "You have a 15% chance of becoming incontinent of urine. Still want to proceed?"

    ETA: Wait a minute. Am I reading this correctly - 46% of women who have a phalloplasty do NOT have sexual dysfunction?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Well, I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
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        Oh yeah? Well incontinence is 100% when you die! Nobody can control their bowels then! And that’s what will happen if you don’t trans your kid! Do you want a dead daughter with 100% chance incontinence and 85% chance of sexual dysfunction, or a living son that only pees himself a little?

        The Brad

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        • KlausK Klaus

          Well, I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          @Klaus said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

          I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

          Being unable to get and maintain an erection would qualify.
          Being unable to sense "vaginal" penetration would qualify.
          Dysparunia would qualify.

          @LuFins-Dad , LOL.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Stop genociding me, boomer!

            The Brad

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              Oddly Wikipedia says pelvic organ prolapse occurs in 9.8% of women worldwide. I’m guessing that’s mostly older women and the people transitioning are much younger on average. Probably includes really minor cases too.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • George KG George K

                @Klaus said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

                I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

                Being unable to get and maintain an erection would qualify.
                Being unable to sense "vaginal" penetration would qualify.
                Dysparunia would qualify.

                @LuFins-Dad , LOL.

                KlausK Offline
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                @George-K said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

                @Klaus said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

                I guess it depends on how you define sexual dysfunction.

                Being unable to get and maintain an erection would qualify.
                Being unable to sense "vaginal" penetration would qualify.
                Dysparunia would qualify.

                I assume dysfunction is measured relative to the "best case" outcome of the procedure,
                which I assume would be something like "you can manually inflate the fake penis or have
                a semi-rigid fake penis and you feel some kind of sexual arousal during intercourse and don't feel pain".

                In particular, it's not measured relative to how healthy biological men have sex.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Oddly Wikipedia says pelvic organ prolapse occurs in 9.8% of women worldwide. I’m guessing that’s mostly older women and the people transitioning are much younger on average. Probably includes really minor cases too.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Pelvic floor and sexual dysfunctions after genital gender-affirming:

                  Wikipedia says pelvic organ prolapse occurs in 9.8% of women worldwide

                  Yup. Vaginal prolapse and rectal prolapse are very common and I've been involved with a ton of operations to repair that.

                  But, there's a difference between something that occurs (usually) as a result of childbirth and something that is caused by surgery. I know, I'm splitting pubic hairs here, but the fact stands that a surgical procedure has an 8% chance of causing a problem that would not occur without the procedure.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Some wise person said somewhere "First, do no harm."

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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