Didn't take Trump long to pick a fight...
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 03:35 last edited by
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 04:28 last edited by
Public or private?
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 04:36 last edited by
Promises made, promises kept. He knows who voted for him, and they do not like academia.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 06:46 last edited by
He has to get a better makeup guy. Has the anti-racoon look going on.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 11:10 last edited by
Wow
Great Again
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 11:42 last edited by
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 13:12 last edited by
Because of obvious reasons, the Feds have more of a toehold in public universities. Their power in private universities comes through the student loan program and Pell Grants.
Either way, some of what he's saying makes sense... Free speech needs to be protected on campus. Parents should receive a quality education for their children in the minimum amount of time (no politically oriented puff classes). Some degrees need consolidation. Minimum standards might be considered. Student loans need reforming.
OTOH, I'm not entirely happy with the Feds getting into the weeds of higher ed. I think the market will sort out a lot of it.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 13:27 last edited by
There may be more blowback on this than it’s worth.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 13:29 last edited by
@Mik said in Didn't take Trump long to pick a fight...:
There may be more blowback on this than it’s worth.
Probably. And it may not be legally do-able. Or too clunky to work.
But it's part of what you get with Trump.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 13:51 last edited by
I'm not sure you can force change here. Seems that persuasion might work better than coercion, which is just the flip side of the existing coin.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 14:46 last edited by
I’d take a look at DeSantis and Rufos approach in Florida.
I would also completely revamp the Federal Pell Grants and College Loan system. All Pell Grants for the first 2 years must be used at a community college or trade school. Same with Federal Subsidized College Loans.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 15:12 last edited by
Could the community colleges handle the influx?
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 15:29 last edited by
I think that's going too far in removing student choice.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 15:45 last edited by
One of the main reasons so many students are $100K in debt upon graduation is the push to go to the 4 year schools at +$30K per year. Recipients of Pell Grants are coming from the poorest families, the ones most likely to rack up the highest debt loads. Over the first 2 years, they are likely going to rack up at least $50K in debt to acquire 30ish credits that could have been acquired for free based on the average Pell Grant. It also encourages students that otherwise wouldn’t have gone to school at all to look at Trade Schools and increase their chances at success.
Student Choice? They have all the choice they want. Just not with public funding. Boohoohoo.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 15:51 last edited by
@Jolly said in Didn't take Trump long to pick a fight...:
Could the community colleges handle the influx?
Probably not immediately, but do you think they’ll learn to adapt real fast with that money coming in? I certainly do. Beyond that, market forces will wind up pushing the 4 year degree schools to make their own adjustments.
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One of the main reasons so many students are $100K in debt upon graduation is the push to go to the 4 year schools at +$30K per year. Recipients of Pell Grants are coming from the poorest families, the ones most likely to rack up the highest debt loads. Over the first 2 years, they are likely going to rack up at least $50K in debt to acquire 30ish credits that could have been acquired for free based on the average Pell Grant. It also encourages students that otherwise wouldn’t have gone to school at all to look at Trade Schools and increase their chances at success.
Student Choice? They have all the choice they want. Just not with public funding. Boohoohoo.
wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 18:13 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Didn't take Trump long to pick a fight...:
One of the main reasons so many students are $100K in debt upon graduation is the push to go to the 4 year schools at +$30K per year. Recipients of Pell Grants are coming from the poorest families, the ones most likely to rack up the highest debt loads. Over the first 2 years, they are likely going to rack up at least $50K in debt to acquire 30ish credits that could have been acquired for free based on the average Pell Grant. It also encourages students that otherwise wouldn’t have gone to school at all to look at Trade Schools and increase their chances at success.
Student Choice? They have all the choice they want. Just not with public funding. Boohoohoo.
The cheapest public university in Louisiana is LSUA. Tuition for in-state is $7050 (2 semesters) and that includes fees. It has exhibited fast growth in the last ten years, going from about 1600 to 5000 students. It would probably have 7000, but housing is a problem.
Degrees are limited.
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wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 18:16 last edited by
I suspect that this fight-picking by Trump is strategic in that it is intended to rabble rouse the epicenter of the woke nonsense that helps keep Maga politically resonant. Jon often makes the point that Trump will increase wokeness, but it's obvious, based on voter surveys after this election, that that works to the advantage of Maga.
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I suspect that this fight-picking by Trump is strategic in that it is intended to rabble rouse the epicenter of the woke nonsense that helps keep Maga politically resonant. Jon often makes the point that Trump will increase wokeness, but it's obvious, based on voter surveys after this election, that that works to the advantage of Maga.
wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 18:25 last edited by@Horace said in Didn't take Trump long to pick a fight...:
I suspect that this fight-picking by Trump is strategic in that it is intended to rabble rouse the epicenter of the woke nonsense that helps keep Maga politically resonant. Jon often makes the point that Trump will increase wokeness, but it's obvious, based on voter surveys after this election, that that works to the advantage of Maga.
Dunno.
I think this speaks to his base but also to the working class. There are guys out there who have blue collar jobs and the wife works a pink collar job. They scrimp, save and send their two kids to university, for "a better life". The kids have to borrow money to complete their degree.
Maybe the kids get sold a load of BS from a faculty advisor pushing a low completer program. They graduate from school inoculated in liberal Marxism, past their eyeballs in debt with a degree in post-1800 feminism and they're not qualified to sell used cars.
Dad and mom are pissed.
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@Horace said in Didn't take Trump long to pick a fight...:
I suspect that this fight-picking by Trump is strategic in that it is intended to rabble rouse the epicenter of the woke nonsense that helps keep Maga politically resonant. Jon often makes the point that Trump will increase wokeness, but it's obvious, based on voter surveys after this election, that that works to the advantage of Maga.
Dunno.
I think this speaks to his base but also to the working class. There are guys out there who have blue collar jobs and the wife works a pink collar job. They scrimp, save and send their two kids to university, for "a better life". The kids have to borrow money to complete their degree.
Maybe the kids get sold a load of BS from a faculty advisor pushing a low completer program. They graduate from school inoculated in liberal Marxism, past their eyeballs in debt with a degree in post-1800 feminism and they're not qualified to sell used cars.
Dad and mom are pissed.
wrote on 12 Nov 2024, 18:38 last edited by@Jolly said in Didn't take Trump long to pick a fight...:
@Horace said in Didn't take Trump long to pick a fight...:
I suspect that this fight-picking by Trump is strategic in that it is intended to rabble rouse the epicenter of the woke nonsense that helps keep Maga politically resonant. Jon often makes the point that Trump will increase wokeness, but it's obvious, based on voter surveys after this election, that that works to the advantage of Maga.
Dunno.
I think this speaks to his base but also to the working class. There are guys out there who have blue collar jobs and the wife works a pink collar job. They scrimp, save and send their two kids to university, for "a better life". The kids have to borrow money to complete their degree.
Maybe the kids get sold a load of BS from a faculty advisor pushing a low completer program. They graduate from school inoculated in liberal Marxism, past their eyeballs in debt with a degree in post-1800 feminism and they're not qualified to sell used cars.
Dad and mom are pissed.
I didn't mean to imply that it was totally cynical politics. I think the policy direction is resonant, too. But the political aspect of it might have played a role in making this announcement front and center, the very first public volley, right at the heart of the woke hysteria that helps keep Maga in office.