Could Anything Have Been Done Different?
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@LuFins-Dad said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.
Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.
$7 butter.
They could have crafted a narrative of doing something different from the current administration. They chose "more of same" messaging instead. I don't buy any notion that this election was a done deal months ago.
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Interesting graph. One of President Trumps main campaign items in 2016 and 2020 was how much better he would be in controlling the border. Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way.....
Of course, in 2024, the bar is set so low, that it will be difficult not to clear. LOL
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@taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way..
With the exception of 2019, he did as well as anyone in the 7 years before him.
A bit of a longer timeframe:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/
Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States Border Patrol from the 1990 fiscal year to the 2023 fiscal year
More here:
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
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@George-K I dont disagree. But, based on what he campaigns, he basically said he shut down the border.
The reality is that (and I did not do the math) it appears that President Obama average rate of illegals from 2013-2016 was lower than the average illegals under President Trump from 2017-2020
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@Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.
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@Axtremus said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
@Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.
I guess you're one of those people out to prove two plus two does not equal four.
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@Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Depression.
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
GDP
2013. 2.12
2014. 2.52
2015. 2.95
2016. 1.82. (AVG = 2.20). Obama 2nd term
2017. 2.46
2018. 2.97
2019. 2.47
2020. -2.21. (AVG = 1.42). Trump term -
Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?
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@taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?
I agree that total observed border crossings were somewhat higher, yes. But those stats are observed. The number of border patrol agents were higher and the number of possible entry points were lower..
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I hope there exists a sweet spot, after Trump starts doing something about the border, where TG will appreciate that he's doing what he said he'd do, but not yet criticizing him for being mean to illegal immigrants. There will be no such sweet spot TDS sufferers, but our TG isn't really a TDS sufferer.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
@taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?
I agree that total observed border crossings were somewhat higher, yes. But those stats are observed. The number of border patrol agents were higher and the number of possible entry points were lower..
DOnt want to go too far into the "weeds", but data shows border patrol agents were about the Trump vs. Obama years
https://www.cbp.gov/document/stats/us-border-patrol-fiscal-year-staffing-statistics-fy-1992-fy-2020My point for @jolly is that President Trump is very good with the "qualitative" things but his record is not so great on the "quantitative" things. Or at least as great his followers claim.
His numbers just dont prove that he was so great on reducing illegal entry or on the economy. His campaign in 2016 and 2020 (and 2024) were based on this.
I am not saying he did a terrible job as president but I think it is a false story to claim that he was so great compared to Obama/Bush/Clinton, etc. (Of course, President Biden has set the bar so low that not hard to run against his tenure.)
Would Sec. Clinton have done better? Doubtful, but it is hard to prove a negative.
Federal hiring up during his term
Debt up during his term
Money supply up during his term
GDP down
Unemployment up
manufacturing jobs down
etc.Were some of the above numbers affected by COVID? Of course. But........ a person is president for four years, and that includes the good AND bad times. You cannot pick cherries. Just like a sports team whose star player is injured and cannot play. "We would have won the championship if XXX was not injured." Well, he was, and we didnt.
I think that President Trumps greatest strength is that he can make you feel good, even more than the numbers really show.
I guess we will revisit in four years.
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Almost 75M votes. 312 Electoral College votes.
TG, you're screaming at trees in the wilderness. I don't know if all of your statistics are right or not. Most of the American public pays more attention to what they see and experience. They know what life was like under Trump and they know what life was like under Biden.
The contest has been waged and decided.
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You realize that’s a cop out, right? You make a claim, she proves you wrong with data. At least concede the point before changing the subject.
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There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
TG is great at digging out minutiae to support her position. But as an average voter, I reject her statistical attempt at equivalency. Numbers are only as good as how they are gathered and sometimes bear no relationship to what is actually occurring... The crime stats from the last few years being an example. Illegal border crossings being another. Even the job numbers are suspect, being buoyed by massive government hiring and constant downward revisions.
It's like Joe Scarborough's Road to Damascus moment, when he found out butter was $7/pound. Suddenly, the "everything is great" statistics were worth a warm bowl of spit.
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@Axtremus said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
@Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.
Just like that, the economy went from GREAT to terrible.
Fed up with the economy, Americans turn to Trump, giving him election sweep of swing states
It's a 60 minutes video with transcript.
