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Sooo, does Trump go to jail?

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #1

    Well?

    The Brad

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #2

      How'd you like to be Marchan this morning?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #3

        Secondly, Jack Shiite's appointment may not be strictly according to Hoyle. Trump could pull his appointment and funding.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #4

          Third, even though Fanni was reelected, I think that one goes away, too.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
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            #5

            NY goes forward and he’ll get the same non-custodial sentence he would have received anyway, though perhaps deferred.

            Federal charges get dropped by his AG in January.

            GA on hold until his presidency ends.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • CopperC Offline
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              Copper
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              #6

              Mr. Biden might be able to stay out of jail if he pardons Mr. Trump now.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-should-pardon-trump/

                The first thing Joe Biden should do this morning is invite Donald Trump to the traditional visit in the Oval Office between the outgoing and incoming president. Biden should extend all the traditional and lawful assistance to Trump that is appropriate in anticipation of his forming a new administration.

                Biden should then move to use his constitutional authority to pardon Donald Trump of all pending federal charges, and relieve special counsel Jack Smith of his duties. He should then ask New York governor Kathy Hochul to use her authority to pardon Trump for the crimes he was convicted of in New York State.

                He should do this not because Trump is entirely blameless for the circumstances surrounding the indictments that have been leveled against him — he’s not blameless, most especially in the Mar-a-Lago classified-documents case, where the publicly available evidence shows that Trump was, at minimum, negligent and, at maximum, absolutely complicit in ignoring the statutes governing the handling of classified information and, possibly, those concerning the obstruction of justice. The constellation of charges surrounding Trump’s actions on and before January 6, 2021, are more opaque, not because Trump’s actions were not mendacious, self-serving, and contemptible, but because I’m not certain that Trump’s plan crossed the line from low politics and clearly impeachable conduct to criminal behavior, though my mind is open on that question. (The Stormy Daniels hush-money prosecution in New York was clearly bogus, turning an embarrassing situation that should have been handled administratively or as a misdemeanor into a criminal proceeding.)

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-should-pardon-trump/

                  The first thing Joe Biden should do this morning is invite Donald Trump to the traditional visit in the Oval Office between the outgoing and incoming president. Biden should extend all the traditional and lawful assistance to Trump that is appropriate in anticipation of his forming a new administration.

                  Biden should then move to use his constitutional authority to pardon Donald Trump of all pending federal charges, and relieve special counsel Jack Smith of his duties. He should then ask New York governor Kathy Hochul to use her authority to pardon Trump for the crimes he was convicted of in New York State.

                  He should do this not because Trump is entirely blameless for the circumstances surrounding the indictments that have been leveled against him — he’s not blameless, most especially in the Mar-a-Lago classified-documents case, where the publicly available evidence shows that Trump was, at minimum, negligent and, at maximum, absolutely complicit in ignoring the statutes governing the handling of classified information and, possibly, those concerning the obstruction of justice. The constellation of charges surrounding Trump’s actions on and before January 6, 2021, are more opaque, not because Trump’s actions were not mendacious, self-serving, and contemptible, but because I’m not certain that Trump’s plan crossed the line from low politics and clearly impeachable conduct to criminal behavior, though my mind is open on that question. (The Stormy Daniels hush-money prosecution in New York was clearly bogus, turning an embarrassing situation that should have been handled administratively or as a misdemeanor into a criminal proceeding.)

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
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                  @George-K

                  I agree with the author of that article.

                  Time to move on.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Secondly, Jack Shiite's appointment may not be strictly according to Hoyle. Trump could pull his appointment and funding.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    @Jolly said in Sooo, does Trump go to jail?:

                    Jack Shiite's appointment may not be strictly according to Hoyle. Trump could pull his appointment and funding.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #10

                      You realize that if the NYC case gets withdrawn before sentencing then Trump will not be a convicted felon?

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        You realize that if the NYC case gets withdrawn before sentencing then Trump will not be a convicted felon?

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                        Copper
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                        #11

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Sooo, does Trump go to jail?:

                        Trump will not be a convicted felon?

                        I'm pretty sure that will depend on who is speaking.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          James made an ass out of herself today.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            Barr came out today, calling for everything to be dropped and for lawfare as a political tactic to end.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              James made an ass out of herself today.

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                              George K
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                              @Jolly said in Sooo, does Trump go to jail?:

                              James made an ass out of herself today again still.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Sooo, does Trump go to jail?:

                                Trump will not be a convicted felon?

                                I'm pretty sure that will depend on who is speaking.

                                LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
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                                #15

                                @Copper said in Sooo, does Trump go to jail?:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Sooo, does Trump go to jail?:

                                Trump will not be a convicted felon?

                                I'm pretty sure that will depend on who is speaking.

                                Oh no. If he is referred to as a convicted felon by Joy Reid, I would fully expect him to file suit.

                                The Brad

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                  #16

                                  I think for the good of the country, we need to trash Sullivan.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
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                                    "You can't fire me! I quit!"

                                    Jack Smith, the special counsel who pursued two federal prosecutions of Donald J. Trump, plans to finish his work and resign along with other members of his team before Mr. Trump takes office in January, people familiar with his plans said.

                                    Mr. Smith’s goal, they said, is to not leave any significant part of his work for others to complete and to get ahead of the president-elect’s promise to fire him within “two seconds” of being sworn in.

                                    Mr. Smith, who since taking office two years ago has operated under the principle that not even a powerful ex-president is above the law, now finds himself on the defensive as he rushes to wind down a pair of complex investigations slowed by the courts and ultimately made moot by Mr. Trump’s electoral victory.

                                    Mr. Smith’s office is still drawing up its plan for how to end the cases, and it is possible that unforeseen circumstances — such as judicial rulings or decisions by other government officials — could alter his intended timeline. But Mr. Smith is trying to finish his work and leave before Mr. Trump returns to power, the people familiar with his plans said.
                                    The election’s outcome spelled the end of the federal cases against Mr. Trump, since Justice Department policy has long held that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted for crimes. A Supreme Court ruling this summer significantly expanded the scope of official presidential conduct that cannot be prosecuted even after leaving office.

                                    As he prepares for his last act as special counsel, Mr. Smith’s ultimate audience will not be a jury, but the public.

                                    Department regulations call for him to file a report summarizing his investigation and decisions — a document that may stand as the final accounting from a prosecutor who filed extensive charges against a former president but never got his cases to trial.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      Does he stay in the country?

                                      The Brad

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                        #19

                                        Hell, does he stay out of jail?

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • 89th8 Offline
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                                          Why would he leave the country or go to jail? He was doing his job. Pretty SWAMPY to be elected and say one of the first things you do is fire the guy investigating your possible crimes. He should let it play out and prove his innocence. 🙂

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