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Tesla stock splitting 5/1

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    89th
    wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 11:41 last edited by 89th
    #1

    Split baby split! Effective 8/31/2020.

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      Horace
      wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 13:46 last edited by
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      Do own any 89th?

      Education is extremely important.

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        Klaus
        wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:03 last edited by
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        I don't quite get the commotion over stock splits. Except for the silly idiosyncratic definition of the Dow Jones, which takes absolute values and not market cap into account, stock splits shouldn't matter at all.

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          Horace
          wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:08 last edited by Horace
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          they wouldn't in a perfectly rational market. But those don't exist.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Horace
            wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:21 last edited by Horace
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            TDAmeritrade's trading software has updated aapl's price to reflect the post-split reduction. But they haven't yet updated the number of shares. Sad looking numbers right now.

            I guess TDAmeritrade has control over when to impose the share increase (as long as it's before open Monday) while the price decrease is handled by some other entity.

            Option strike prices haven't been converted yet either, I suppose that may be controlled by yet a third entity. Everybody has a deadline of market open tomorrow.

            Education is extremely important.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:45 last edited by
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              Price comes from exchanges 'corporate actions' come from DTCC, not surprised they are slightly out of sync.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:45 last edited by
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                @Klaus Even for the Dow it shouldn't matter as they adjust for splits.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • J jon-nyc
                  30 Aug 2020, 14:45

                  @Klaus Even for the Dow it shouldn't matter as they adjust for splits.

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                  Klaus
                  wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:46 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc Do they? I vaguely remember that the weight of a stock in the DJ is determined by the absolute value for one stock.

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                    Klaus
                    wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:53 last edited by
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                    The value of the index is the sum of the stock prices of the companies included in the index, divided by a factor which is currently (as of June 2020) approximately 0.1458. The factor is changed whenever a constituent company undergoes a stock split so that the value of the index is unaffected by the stock split.

                    OK, so if a stock split occurs, the weight of the company in the DJ changes and all index funds etc. have to reshuffle their composition. Silly.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:55 last edited by
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                      But they don't have to change their composition. The index change matches the split perfectly. So if you needed X shares of TSLA before the split, you'll need 5x after.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • K Klaus
                        30 Aug 2020, 14:46

                        @jon-nyc Do they? I vaguely remember that the weight of a stock in the DJ is determined by the absolute value for one stock.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 14:55 last edited by
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                        @Klaus said in Tesla stock splitting 5/1:

                        @jon-nyc Do they? I vaguely remember that the weight of a stock in the DJ is determined by the absolute value for one stock.

                        It is, but they adjust for splits.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                        • J jon-nyc
                          30 Aug 2020, 14:55

                          But they don't have to change their composition. The index change matches the split perfectly. So if you needed X shares of TSLA before the split, you'll need 5x after.

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                          Klaus
                          wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 16:29 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc said in Tesla stock splitting 5/1:

                          But they don't have to change their composition. The index change matches the split perfectly. So if you needed X shares of TSLA before the split, you'll need 5x after.

                          Not if the index is computed as I quoted above (which is from Wikipedia).

                          If the stock prices are s1 to s30, then the index value is computed as
                          (s1+...+s30)/0.1458. Now if, say, s1 is split by two, then the factor is adjusted such that the split doesn't change the value of the index (that is, solve (0.5*s1 + s2 + ... + s30) / newFactor = (s1+...+s30)/0.1458 ), but still the weight of s1 is halved, so an index funds would have to sell half of it's s1 assets.

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                            30 Aug 2020, 13:46

                            Do own any 89th?

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                            89th
                            wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 16:32 last edited by
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                            @Horace said in Tesla stock splitting 5/1:

                            Do own any 89th?

                            Yeah I bought 6 shares near the start of 2020, and am up about 190% since then. 🤷‍♂️

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 30 Aug 2020, 16:32 last edited by
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                              Nice.

                              Education is extremely important.

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