Dewey wrote a book!
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@Moonbat said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Man this gives me deja vu from 2007 debates lolThat it does.
Quiet, you! Go back to 2007 where you belong!
(Also, HEY! How's it goin'?)
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@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I'm talking about sexual attraction. Ok sexual attraction disorder, or sexual attraction impairment, or sexual attraction disease, or whatever you want to call the deviation from the normal sexual attractions of human beings. If being bipolar is a disorder, I think abnormal sexual attractions (e.g., to the same sex) could be considered as such (again there is a spectrum of extremes).
In what sense is it an "impairment" or a "disease"?
All of this is only based on it being less frequent than heterosexual attraction?
Then you could just as well call red hair an impairment and a disease. Your whole argument is based on it occurring less often ("abnormal").
I guess we should start with a base. I'd assert that it is the fundamental wiring of human sexuality to be attracted to the opposite sex for the purpose of procreating. It's why we have a penis and women have a vagina. It's why our hormones increase earlier in life, to begin the procreation process, and why the urges decrease over time as the need to procreate diminishes. Forget the meaning of "normal" but in the pragmatic sense, it is the norm for humans to be attracted to the opposite sex.
If you disagree with this, then ok... probably aren't going to do anything but argue in circles.
But if you agree with this, then to answer your question it's an impairment or whatever as an attraction to the opposite sex is on the spectrum of sexual attraction deviation. By default does this make it wrong? No. Religiously, sure... Culturally, some say yes, some say no... depends where values are at the moment, something that is always changing. Laws are just codified morality, after all. So if there is a sexual impairment or disorder, it is similar to other mental (or physical) malformations... biological diversity, to @Doctor-Phibes 's point, which I can see.
It's a little concerning that someone your age is still holding such views.
I'm not sure why. The facts haven't changed from 30 years ago. Wouldn't it be more concerning that politicians have changed their minds based on the prevailing wind of what is popular? It's the same facts back then as is it is now, so why would my view change... peer pressure?
BTW you didn't answer my question about a dude banging his mom. You cool with that? Love it love, after all.
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@Moonbat said in Dewey wrote a book!:
Man this gives me deja vu from 2007 debates lolThat it does. (And you're still wrong :P)
(Hello all).
Hahaha sometimes I see the yin yang GIF online and I think of you btw.
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@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
If you disagree with this, then ok... probably aren't going to do anything but argue in circles.
I do, unfortunately.
BTW you didn't answer my question about a dude banging his mom. You cool with that?
Yes, I'm cool with that when everyone involved is adult and consenting.
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DON’T let them eat cake.
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https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24914/the-slate-of-hate/9?_=1729512654662
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/28578/a-christmas-celebration/22?_=1729512656646
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/23577/spreading-joy-and-inclusion/2
And from 2006.
This is the kind of stuff that, once seen, is difficult to forget.
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@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
If you disagree with this, then ok... probably aren't going to do anything but argue in circles.
I do, unfortunately.
BTW you didn't answer my question about a dude banging his mom. You cool with that?
Yes, I'm cool with that when everyone involved is adult and consenting.
Sorry, but that's perversion writ large. But it is the logical extension if everything is fine between consenting adults.
How are you on clitoridectomies?
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@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
How are you on clitoridectomies?
Is it done to consenting adults? No.
As defined by the age of consent in those cultures that practice it, you are going to have willing adult female participants.
That makes two consenting adults behind closed doors, by my cipherin'.
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@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
How are you on clitoridectomies?
Is it done to consenting adults? No.
As defined by the age of consent in those cultures that practice it, you are going to have willing adult female participants.
That makes two consenting adults behind closed doors, by my cipherin'.
This is typically done to young children, and even if it is done to teenagers or young adults, they are in such a dependency situation that there is no way how they can consent to what is being done to them (apart from probably not even understanding what is about to happen, in most cases).
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@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Klaus said in Dewey wrote a book!:
@Jolly said in Dewey wrote a book!:
How are you on clitoridectomies?
Is it done to consenting adults? No.
As defined by the age of consent in those cultures that practice it, you are going to have willing adult female participants.
That makes two consenting adults behind closed doors, by my cipherin'.
This is typically done to young children, and even if it is done to teenagers or young adults, they are in such a dependency situation that there is no way how they can consent to what is being done to them (apart from probably not even understanding what is about to happen, in most cases).
The universal fallback of "consenting adults makes morals easy" is a bit ridiculous when even casually interrogated.
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As defined by the age of consent in those cultures that practice it, you are going to have willing adult female participants.
It is my understanding that the female participants are the very ones that perform the abomination and physically restrain the subject female victim whether child, youth or young adult. In any case those cultures that practice this blood ritual are low cultures, primiarily tribal and guided by superstition, quite frankly, barbarian to the core. Cultures that in fact, require the sound governance of Imperial overlordship of an entirely secular nature.
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Oh man i have not argued on the internet for so long. What political disagreement i have tend to be in person discussions with my wife's circle of friends where my wife is forever worried they will think i'm a Nazi. A rather different set of circumstances than 2007.
But for old times sake..
@89th said in Dewey wrote a book!:
I guess we should start with a base. I'd assert that it is the fundamental wiring of human sexuality to be attracted to the opposite sex for the purpose of procreating. It's why we have a penis and women have a vagina. It's why our hormones increase earlier in life, to begin the procreation process, and why the urges decrease over time as the need to procreate diminishes. Forget the meaning of "normal" but in the pragmatic sense, it is the norm for humans to be attracted to the opposite sex.
If you disagree with this, then ok... probably aren't going to do anything but argue in circles.
But if you agree with this, then to answer your question it's an impairment or whatever as an attraction to the opposite sex is on the spectrum of sexual attraction deviation. By default does this make it wrong? No. Religiously, sure... Culturally, some say yes, some say no... depends where values are at the moment, something that is always changing. Laws are just codified morality, after all. So if there is a sexual impairment or disorder, it is similar to other mental (or physical) malformations... biological diversity, to @Doctor-Phibes 's point, which I can see.
So i think you perceive structure and function in the anatomical and behavioural differences between the sexes - one that has a clear evolutionary origin. Consequently you classify deviations from this structure/function as impairment/disorder/etc.
So from a secular perspective the problem is that this attaches ethical significant to blind forces of evolutionary biology. Just because we are fashioned by natural selection does not automatically mean that in everyday speech we should classify humans using an evolutionary perspective. This is particularly true when the words have some normative significance to them. Evolution by natural selection is a blind force, it's crucial for understanding how things are but totally inconsequential when deciding whether some aspect of human behaviour is good or bad. As there is no intention to evolution by natural selection there is no "fundamental" wiring, there is only wiring. There is no intrinsic order, there is just whatever emerges. To talk about homosexuality being an impairment is a bit like talking about a moon that rotates in the opposite direction to the planet that it orbits as an 'impaired' moon because the usual explanation for how planetary bodies form means they all rotate in the same direction. We don't speak like this because we aren't seduced into the idea that there is some intention that all planetary bodies are 'supposed' to rotate the same way, while the fact natural selection can look like design means people are seduced into talking as if it is design and that the designer has a specific purpose.
So to recap - from a secular perspective it doesn't really make sense to talk about some putative fundamental order that is being violated by X human behaviour.
Secondly if you were to be consistent you would have to call alot of behaviours that will seem normal or even desireable to be impairments or disorders. Use of birth control is the mother of all behavioural disorders (as an aside it is an amazing fact, and one that AI doomers are quick to point out, that evolution by natural seelction has continuously selected genes for their reproductive fitness for the best part of 4 billion years. Yet just doing that, just picking the best replicator again and again and again, ultimately built a machine that subverts it's own replication). Now you may be happy with that but how about acts of altruism - if you put yourself at risk to safe the life of a stranger, you are engaging in a behaviour that is very clearly opposed to the evolutionary forces that shaped you - should we call it a behavioural disorder?
Given the above two points and since people who are gay are totally fine living their lives provided they are treated like everyone else and crucially, absent religious indoctrination, do not view themselves as defective in any way. I don't think there can be any justification in defining them as such. Particularly given that such language is intrinsically judgemental and almost always carries stigma.
