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  • M Away
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    Mik
    wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 17:54 last edited by
    #1

    Is that why the galaxy is so quiet?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/why-haven-t-we-found-intelligent-alien-civilizations-there-may-be-a-universal-limit-to-technological-development/ar-AA1rXYRN?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=99fa002de62b49bfa539081891b0191f&ei=43

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 18:00 last edited by
      #2

      If the light speed limit is unsurmountable, we're probably not going anywhere. Maybe J3H0V4H did it deliberately.

      I was only joking

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 18:05 last edited by
        #3

        Weird, normally it will allow me to read the story on the MSN page. This one is requiring the app.

        The Brad

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        • L LuFins Dad
          10 Oct 2024, 18:05

          Weird, normally it will allow me to read the story on the MSN page. This one is requiring the app.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 18:16 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Oct 2024, 18:28
          #4

          @LuFins-Dad said in Universal limit to technological development?:

          Weird, normally it will allow me to read the story on the MSN page. This one is requiring the app.

          Has happened to me before. Refresh the page and the ‘expand article’ button will appear.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            Horace
            wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 18:21 last edited by
            #5

            This reminded me to do a youtube search for Robin Hanson. Generally there are new interviews or talks by him a few times a year. Here's one he did a month ago. I think he is probably the best thinker on this subject.

            Link to video

            Lately he been thinking about culture rather than aliens. He is a little dismayed that his insights into culture aren't as popular as his insights into aliens. Anyway, I can fully understand how someone trying to think about humanity in any sort of coherent way, inevitably focuses on culture.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • J jon-nyc
              10 Oct 2024, 18:16

              @LuFins-Dad said in Universal limit to technological development?:

              Weird, normally it will allow me to read the story on the MSN page. This one is requiring the app.

              Has happened to me before. Refresh the page and the ‘expand article’ button will appear.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 18:48 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc said in Universal limit to technological development?:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Universal limit to technological development?:

              Weird, normally it will allow me to read the story on the MSN page. This one is requiring the app.

              Has happened to me before. Refresh the page and the ‘expand article’ button will appear.

              Yeah, that’s how I got past it before. This time? Nope.

              The Brad

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                Mik
                wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 18:56 last edited by
                #7

                Try the immersive reader button. Up by the favorites star, looks like an open book.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 19:02 last edited by Doctor Phibes 10 Oct 2024, 19:02
                  #8

                  You chaps are wondering why we can't contact aliens and you're struggling to open a web-page 😂

                  I was only joking

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                  • D Doctor Phibes
                    10 Oct 2024, 18:00

                    If the light speed limit is unsurmountable, we're probably not going anywhere. Maybe J3H0V4H did it deliberately.

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                    Tom-K
                    wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 20:02 last edited by
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Universal limit to technological development?:

                    If the light speed limit is unsurmountable, we're probably not going anywhere.

                    Maybe for us--maybe not for others. The physical world that we know is llike a Bob Ross painting. There's the mountain, there's the cabin with smoke coming out of the chimney, there's the pine trees. But when you look around the edges there's the canvas and the tacks and the frame. The universe might be a lot more than these 5 random senses say it is.

                    Link to video

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                    • T Tom-K
                      10 Oct 2024, 20:02

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Universal limit to technological development?:

                      If the light speed limit is unsurmountable, we're probably not going anywhere.

                      Maybe for us--maybe not for others. The physical world that we know is llike a Bob Ross painting. There's the mountain, there's the cabin with smoke coming out of the chimney, there's the pine trees. But when you look around the edges there's the canvas and the tacks and the frame. The universe might be a lot more than these 5 random senses say it is.

                      Link to video

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 20:03 last edited by
                      #10

                      @Tom-K So you're saying we are one happy little accident away from interstellar conquest.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Mik
                        wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 20:45 last edited by
                        #11

                        On that note, another cheery thought..

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/we-may-only-ever-detect-signals-from-long-dead-alien-civilizations/ar-AA1rTH3s?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=70dacde2bf7c4ad1b0de1331e9289512&ei=25

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • T Tom-K
                          10 Oct 2024, 20:02

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Universal limit to technological development?:

                          If the light speed limit is unsurmountable, we're probably not going anywhere.

                          Maybe for us--maybe not for others. The physical world that we know is llike a Bob Ross painting. There's the mountain, there's the cabin with smoke coming out of the chimney, there's the pine trees. But when you look around the edges there's the canvas and the tacks and the frame. The universe might be a lot more than these 5 random senses say it is.

                          Link to video

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                          George K
                          wrote on 10 Oct 2024, 23:58 last edited by
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                          @Tom-K Quicksilver Messenger Service was one of Jack Frost's favorite bands.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 00:48 last edited by
                            #13

                            Mine too at the time. First version of Who Do You Love I heard. Now I like George Thoroghgood’s.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • M Mik
                              11 Oct 2024, 00:48

                              Mine too at the time. First version of Who Do You Love I heard. Now I like George Thoroghgood’s.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 00:55 last edited by
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                              @Mik Shady Grove, the entire album was great.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • M Mik
                                10 Oct 2024, 17:54

                                Is that why the galaxy is so quiet?

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/why-haven-t-we-found-intelligent-alien-civilizations-there-may-be-a-universal-limit-to-technological-development/ar-AA1rXYRN?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=99fa002de62b49bfa539081891b0191f&ei=43

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                                Klaus
                                wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 08:27 last edited by
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                                @Mik said in Universal limit to technological development?:

                                Is that why the galaxy is so quiet?

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/why-haven-t-we-found-intelligent-alien-civilizations-there-may-be-a-universal-limit-to-technological-development/ar-AA1rXYRN?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=99fa002de62b49bfa539081891b0191f&ei=43

                                If anything, technological development has picked up speed rather than slowed down.

                                There's no evidence for a limit.

                                I find e/acc a more interesting hypothesis.

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                                • M Mik
                                  10 Oct 2024, 20:45

                                  On that note, another cheery thought..

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/we-may-only-ever-detect-signals-from-long-dead-alien-civilizations/ar-AA1rTH3s?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=70dacde2bf7c4ad1b0de1331e9289512&ei=25

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 17:44 last edited by
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                                  @Mik said in Universal limit to technological development?:

                                  On that note, another cheery thought..

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/we-may-only-ever-detect-signals-from-long-dead-alien-civilizations/ar-AA1rTH3s?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=70dacde2bf7c4ad1b0de1331e9289512&ei=25

                                  If a civilization had the ability to search for signals from other planets even very recently, they would pass right by earth.

                                  I think that there is other (intelligent) life out there but it is such a rare thing. The dinosaurs were around for millions and millions of years, and never really "evolved". If they giant meteor had not crashed into earth, would they still be "in charge"?

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