Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds
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@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@LuFins-Dad said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
What exactly do you mean by De-Trumpification? What Trump policies does the GOP need to get away from?
The notion that truth and consistency don't matter. The "government by twitter" policy. The notion that allies are redundant and can be treated like shit. The "I like you if and only if you say nice things about me" policy. The blatant contempt for the pillars and basic rules of constitutional democracies. The blatant contempt for science when it conflicts with his worldview. And, while we are at it, the blatant contempt for true conservatism in the sense of Scruton et al. How's that for a start?
Many of our allies, particularly several memebers of NATO, badly needed some tough love. Many, like Germany, simply do not hold up their end of the bargain. The second and third points have some merit, as Trump does shoot, and then aim at times. For the science point, Trump realizes science is not always settled, and tends to go with his gut when faced with inconclusive data. For the last point, if you look at what he does, instead of what he says, Trump may be the most conservative President since Reagan.
@Jolly said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
Many of our allies, particularly several memebers of NATO, badly needed some tough love
I agree with that, actually, but he delivered a very different message to the US' allies, namely "F U, from now on we'll only do what is advantageous to us, you are on your own and we don't give a shit about what you want".
For the last point, if you look at what he does, instead of what he says, Trump may be the most conservative President since Reagan.
Presumably you refer to things like SCOTUS judges or gun control or abortion here. But I'd argue that that's not what conservatism is about. To quote Scruton:
“Conservatism starts from a sentiment that all mature people can readily share: the sentiment that good things are easily destroyed, but not easily created.”
I think Trump is in many ways the antithesis of that sentiment. He is good at destroying things, not preserving and creating.
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American conservatives aren't very conservative, just as American liberals are far from liberal.
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I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
Most of my republican friends are all seeing Trump losing as a good thing for the GOP long term. So to answer your question, I think the GOP candidate in 2024 will be much better positioned with a Biden administration ending than another 4 years of defending Trump's antics.
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@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
Most of my republican friends are all seeing Trump losing as a good thing for the GOP long term. So to answer your question, I think the GOP candidate in 2024 will be much better positioned with a Biden administration ending than another 4 years of defending Trump's antics.
@89th said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
Most of my republican friends are all seeing Trump losing as a good thing for the GOP long term. So to answer your question, I think the GOP candidate in 2024 will be much better positioned with a Biden administration ending than another 4 years of defending Trump's antics.
Well, according to the die-hard Trump supporters here, Trump is winning every bit as convincingly as John McCain and Mitt Romney did.
I notice the traditionally very common phrase 'beaten like a red-headed stepchild' hasn't been used this time around, which I guess could be as a sign of respect for the present incumbent's slightly unusual colouring.
If I'm honest, I still have this suspicion that Trump's going to win it, and it's certainly not because of wishful thinking.
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I understand the TDS and the insanity.
But other than that I can't imagine anyone voting for Mr. Biden. There is just no rational reason.
For that reason Mr. Trump might have some hope.
But I know the hate is so irrational and strong he is probably done.
@Copper said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I understand the TDS and the insanity.
But other than that I can't imagine anyone voting for Mr. Biden. There is just no rational reason.
I can't imagine why anybody would waste their life playing golf. There is just no rational reason. Just carry the fucking stupid little ball over to the green and put it in the hole and go and drink at a regular pub rather than a massively over-priced bar filled with people with no dress sense and be done with it.
Perspective's a funny thing.
I was only joking
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You started it.
And I don't like Mr. Biden.
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@Copper said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I understand the TDS and the insanity.
But other than that I can't imagine anyone voting for Mr. Biden. There is just no rational reason.
I can't imagine why anybody would waste their life playing golf. There is just no rational reason. Just carry the fucking stupid little ball over to the green and put it in the hole and go and drink at a regular pub rather than a massively over-priced bar filled with people with no dress sense and be done with it.
Perspective's a funny thing.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
There is just no rational reason.
If you're too old to go windsurfing or do some 'cross races, I guess there's golf.
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A good walk spoiled.
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These aren't insults, incidentally. This is banter.
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@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@LuFins-Dad said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
What exactly do you mean by De-Trumpification? What Trump policies does the GOP need to get away from?
The notion that truth and consistency don't matter. The "government by twitter" policy. The notion that allies are redundant and can be treated like shit. The "I like you if and only if you say nice things about me" policy. The blatant contempt for the pillars and basic rules of constitutional democracies. The blatant contempt for science when it conflicts with his worldview. And, while we are at it, the blatant contempt for true conservatism in the sense of Scruton et al. How's that for a start?
I agree with most of what Klaus said, but would add:
the moving to isolation of the US (may have been party policy in the far past, but not so much in the recent past)
the moving away from free trade@taiwan_girl said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@LuFins-Dad said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
What exactly do you mean by De-Trumpification? What Trump policies does the GOP need to get away from?
The notion that truth and consistency don't matter. The "government by twitter" policy. The notion that allies are redundant and can be treated like shit. The "I like you if and only if you say nice things about me" policy. The blatant contempt for the pillars and basic rules of constitutional democracies. The blatant contempt for science when it conflicts with his worldview. And, while we are at it, the blatant contempt for true conservatism in the sense of Scruton et al. How's that for a start?
I agree with most of what Klaus said, but would add:
the moving to isolation of the US (may have been party policy in the far past, but not so much in the recent past)
the moving away from free tradeIt has never been about free trade.
It has always been about fair trade.
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@taiwan_girl said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@LuFins-Dad said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
What exactly do you mean by De-Trumpification? What Trump policies does the GOP need to get away from?
The notion that truth and consistency don't matter. The "government by twitter" policy. The notion that allies are redundant and can be treated like shit. The "I like you if and only if you say nice things about me" policy. The blatant contempt for the pillars and basic rules of constitutional democracies. The blatant contempt for science when it conflicts with his worldview. And, while we are at it, the blatant contempt for true conservatism in the sense of Scruton et al. How's that for a start?
I agree with most of what Klaus said, but would add:
the moving to isolation of the US (may have been party policy in the far past, but not so much in the recent past)
the moving away from free tradeIt has never been about free trade.
It has always been about fair trade.
@Jolly said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
It has always been about fair trade.
For example, why did President Trump decide not to go ahead with the Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal?
In my small opinion, that was good for both the US and other countries.
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@taiwan_girl said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@LuFins-Dad said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
What exactly do you mean by De-Trumpification? What Trump policies does the GOP need to get away from?
The notion that truth and consistency don't matter. The "government by twitter" policy. The notion that allies are redundant and can be treated like shit. The "I like you if and only if you say nice things about me" policy. The blatant contempt for the pillars and basic rules of constitutional democracies. The blatant contempt for science when it conflicts with his worldview. And, while we are at it, the blatant contempt for true conservatism in the sense of Scruton et al. How's that for a start?
I agree with most of what Klaus said, but would add:
the moving to isolation of the US (may have been party policy in the far past, but not so much in the recent past)
the moving away from free tradeIt has never been about free trade.
It has always been about fair trade.
@Jolly said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@taiwan_girl said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@LuFins-Dad said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
@Klaus said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
I wonder whether the GOP will have the will and strength for a thorough De-Trumpification of the party within four years.
What exactly do you mean by De-Trumpification? What Trump policies does the GOP need to get away from?
The notion that truth and consistency don't matter. The "government by twitter" policy. The notion that allies are redundant and can be treated like shit. The "I like you if and only if you say nice things about me" policy. The blatant contempt for the pillars and basic rules of constitutional democracies. The blatant contempt for science when it conflicts with his worldview. And, while we are at it, the blatant contempt for true conservatism in the sense of Scruton et al. How's that for a start?
I agree with most of what Klaus said, but would add:
the moving to isolation of the US (may have been party policy in the far past, but not so much in the recent past)
the moving away from free tradeIt has never been about free trade.
It has always been about fair trade.
The whole point of free trade is that even with asymmetries across countries, everyone is still better off (on net) with free trade.
Fair trade is a whole other concept, with no real definition.
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@Jolly said in Looks like a 10 point swing in betting odds:
Let's try something like dumping steel. Is that fair?
That's not a definition. According to free trade principles, Americans would be better off if someone "dumps" product here - because a foreign entity is making it way cheaper than we could domestically.
If someone decides to "dump" a commodity on the world market, it doesn't matter if one country stops them. It'll bring down the global price anyways.
It's like trying to plug a water leak, the water flows elsewhere.
