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Weight loss drugs may not be the miracle they seem

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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
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    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/09/25/lawsuit-filed-against-ozempic-mounjaro-manufacturers/74511587007/?utm_source=enquirer-dailybriefing-strada&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailybriefing-headline-stack&utm_term=newsletter-greeting&utm_content=pcin-cincinnati-nletter65

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      No surprise there.

      As a gas-passer, I'm glad I don't have to deal with people who have been NPO for 8-12 hours and might still have full stomachs.

      Shitty drugs. I saw one report that at 6 months (1 year?) about half the patients stop taking them because of side effects. Even without gastroparesis, who wants to be nauseated and have diarrhea?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
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        No free lunch.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          #4

          "No lunch" may be more effective.

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            "No lunch" may be more effective.

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            89th
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            @Axtremus said in Weight loss drugs may not be the miracle they seem:

            "No lunch" may be more effective.

            zing!

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              taiwan_girl
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              #6

              I wonder if the suing will be successful. Drug companies seem to be pretty good about listing any and all possible side effects.

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                xenon
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                I've seen the range of outcomes on this from a few different folks. For some the side-effects are too hard to manage, but I also know people who seem to have minimal to no side effects.

                Given over-eating is a driver of much of the cost in healthcare today, I still think these drugs are a potential game changer in healthcare.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  It's not obvious that bad habits that make you die sooner, drive up health care spending.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • KlausK Offline
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                    #9

                    What if a pharmaceutical company goes through the full process of getting a new medication approved and did all the required studies and everything correctly, but then some new side effect shows up that didn't show up in the studies.

                    Are they legally on the hook for that?

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      What if a pharmaceutical company goes through the full process of getting a new medication approved and did all the required studies and everything correctly, but then some new side effect shows up that didn't show up in the studies.

                      Are they legally on the hook for that?

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                      #10

                      @Klaus https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-trouble-with-new-drugs-2019050216562

                      "But sometimes the "side effect" is death."

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                      • KlausK Klaus

                        What if a pharmaceutical company goes through the full process of getting a new medication approved and did all the required studies and everything correctly, but then some new side effect shows up that didn't show up in the studies.

                        Are they legally on the hook for that?

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                        @Klaus I really don’t know for sure but you’d probably have to show some kind of negligence. Like they didn’t follow up on certain adverse events, didn’t follow patients long enough, or whatever

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • KlausK Klaus

                          What if a pharmaceutical company goes through the full process of getting a new medication approved and did all the required studies and everything correctly, but then some new side effect shows up that didn't show up in the studies.

                          Are they legally on the hook for that?

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                          Mik
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                          @Klaus said in Weight loss drugs may not be the miracle they seem:

                          What if a pharmaceutical company goes through the full process of getting a new medication approved and did all the required studies and everything correctly, but then some new side effect shows up that didn't show up in the studies.

                          Are they legally on the hook for that?

                          Unknown, but it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that previously unseen effects could occur in such a larger and less healthy population.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            From what I can see, there's a thing called "Comment K" in the US which restricts strict liability for drugs. In Europe, liability is less strict anyway.

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