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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #33

    I have no problem with funding Ukraine's efforts.

    I have no problem with Zelensky coming here to ask the US to write another check.

    My concern, since noted by Jon to be misplaced, was his giving political points to the Harris campaign, while, supposedly, on the taxpayer's dime.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      I have no problem with funding Ukraine's efforts.

      I have no problem with Zelensky coming here to ask the US to write another check.

      My concern, since noted by Jon to be misplaced, was his giving political points to the Harris campaign, while, supposedly, on the taxpayer's dime.

      RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #34

      @George-K

      Under the present circumstances, Zelenskyi is doing nothing different than Churchill did in during his visit to the US in late 1940 and early 1941.

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/darkest-days-world-war-ii-winston-churchills-visit-white-house-brought-hope-washington-180961798/

      Don’t think for a moment that Churchill was not also a guest of the POTUS and made it clear to the American public that he did not support the America First Committee or the isolationist factions in the both the DNC and RNC in the then upcoming 1942 US presidential elections.

      i agree it would be wholly inappropriate for the present day Canadian PM, British PM or President of Mexico to favour one ticket over another. But then none of the above are at war with a known adversary of the US and the NATO alliance.

      Elbows up!

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #35

        It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…

        The Brad

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #36

          He was more nuanced about Trump. It was really Vance he was dismissive about.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…

            MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by Mik
            #37

            @LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

            It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…

            That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.

            If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @George-K

              Under the present circumstances, Zelenskyi is doing nothing different than Churchill did in during his visit to the US in late 1940 and early 1941.

              https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/darkest-days-world-war-ii-winston-churchills-visit-white-house-brought-hope-washington-180961798/

              Don’t think for a moment that Churchill was not also a guest of the POTUS and made it clear to the American public that he did not support the America First Committee or the isolationist factions in the both the DNC and RNC in the then upcoming 1942 US presidential elections.

              i agree it would be wholly inappropriate for the present day Canadian PM, British PM or President of Mexico to favour one ticket over another. But then none of the above are at war with a known adversary of the US and the NATO alliance.

              MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by Mik
              #38

              @Renauda said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

              @George-K

              Under the present circumstances, Zelenskyi is doing nothing different than Churchill did in during his visit to the US in late 1940 and early 1941.

              https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/darkest-days-world-war-ii-winston-churchills-visit-white-house-brought-hope-washington-180961798/

              Don’t think for a moment that Churchill was not also a guest of the POTUS and made it clear to the American public that he did not support the America First Committee or the isolationist factions in the both the DNC and RNC in the then upcoming 1942 US presidential elections.

              i agree it would be wholly inappropriate for the present day Canadian PM, British PM or President of Mexico to favour one ticket over another. But then none of the above are at war with a known adversary of the US and the NATO alliance.

              Agreed. Context is important.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                @LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…

                That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.

                If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.

                LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #39

                @Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…

                That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.

                If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.

                Oh, the reasons to not vote Trump are many and strong. My problem is the alternative.

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                  It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…

                  That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.

                  If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.

                  Oh, the reasons to not vote Trump are many and strong. My problem is the alternative.

                  HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                  @Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                  It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…

                  That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.

                  If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.

                  Oh, the reasons to not vote Trump are many and strong. My problem is the alternative.

                  Nuance in voting preferences? What, do you think you're better than everybody else? Mr hoity toity nuance with your ability to see "pros" and "cons" between two flawed candidates?

                  Sorry - but - when democracy is on the line, "nuance" is just another word for "Nazi".

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #41

                    Wait, I thought those were the Ukrainians. This is all so confusing.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Wait, I thought those were the Ukrainians. This is all so confusing.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #42

                      @Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                      Wait, I thought those were the Ukrainians. This is all so confusing.

                      Only those from Western Ukraine are Banderisti Nazis, all others are (allegedly) a figment of the foreign imagination.

                      Elbows up!

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