The scene in Fairfax County

[Horace]

He’s mostly a cancer of the cognitive ability of TDS sufferers.

[LuFins Dad]

But on to that subject… Frederick, MD just approved non-citizen voting for local elections.

Here is Frederick County Ballot Options depending on locality - https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2024/general_ballots/frederick.pdf

Note that there aren’t separate ballots for local/state/federal issues. So that’s the ballot given to undocumented migrants. As the ballots themselves are anonymous, please explain to me what prevents a noncitizen from voting on the federal/state offices? And further, how could you ever know that a noncitizen voted in the federal election? You say there’s no proof that non-citizens are voting, but how could there be proof in these districts?

[Horace]

@LuFins-Dad said in The scene in Fairfax County:

But on to that subject… Frederick, MD just approved non-citizen voting for local elections.

Here is Frederick County Ballot Options depending on locality - https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2024/general_ballots/frederick.pdf

Note that there aren’t separate ballots for local/state/federal issues. So that’s the ballot given to undocumented migrants. As the ballots themselves are anonymous, please explain to me what prevents a noncitizen from voting on the federal/state offices? And further, how could you ever know that a noncitizen voted in the federal election? You say there’s no proof that non-citizens are voting, but how could there be proof in these districts?

The talking point from the sorts who are invested in marginalizing any questions about voting fraud is that it “doesn’t scale”. But it seems like fraudulent anonymous ballots scales just fine.

[89th]

@LuFins-Dad said in The scene in Fairfax County:

But on to that subject… Frederick, MD just approved non-citizen voting for local elections.

Here is Frederick County Ballot Options depending on locality - https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2024/general_ballots/frederick.pdf

Note that there aren’t separate ballots for local/state/federal issues. So that’s the ballot given to undocumented migrants. As the ballots themselves are anonymous, please explain to me what prevents a noncitizen from voting on the federal/state offices? And further, how could you ever know that a noncitizen voted in the federal election? You say there’s no proof that non-citizens are voting, but how could there be proof in these districts?

They should include on the ballot some basic USA civics questions, such as how many states are there, which continent is the USA in, how many branches of government we have, and which country we declared independence from in 1776.

If they get the questions right, they are likely non-citizens LOL

[89th]

The problem with this is this is why Trump folks can't believe they lost, because there were so many flags, and signs, and people outside the voting center, forgetting that the real power is on the ballot itself. It's similar to how in 2016 liberals were surprised when Hillary lost because all the media outlets were cheerleading for Hillary, they didn't realize a silent majority was as large as it was.

[Copper]

@LuFins-Dad said in The scene in Fairfax County:

Just checking citizenship status.

We need more patriots like that.

[Doctor Phibes]

I shouldn't worry, everybody in that line appears to be a honky.

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad That was passed four days ago and doesn’t take effect until 2025. If you show me this is a problem in congressional elections in 2026 I’ll be all ears.

[LuFins Dad]

And there are dozens of other districts and cities that allow it. Please explain how they keep non-citizens from completing the federal and state parts of the ballot?

[jon-nyc]

I doubt it’s the same ballot. If it were then it would be a problem of course.

[jon-nyc]

Yes, here are a couple of examples:

1. San Francisco, California: Since 2016, non-citizens, including undocumented immigrants, are allowed to vote in school board elections if they have children enrolled in the city’s public schools. These non-citizen voters are given a separate ballot that only contains the school board elections, ensuring they are not voting in any federal, state, or other local elections for which they are ineligible.

2. Montgomery County, Maryland: Some municipalities within the county, such as Takoma Park and Hyattsville, allow non-citizens to vote in local elections like mayoral and city council races. In these cases, non-citizens receive a ballot specifically tailored to local elections, which does not include state or federal races. This ensures they are only participating in the elections they are legally allowed to vote in.

In both cases, the use of separate or specialized ballots helps prevent non-citizens from mistakenly participating in elections beyond their eligibility.

[jon-nyc]

Are there any examples where they’re given the full ballot and told to only vote a subset?

I’m not aware of any examples where non-citizen voters are given a full ballot and simply instructed to vote only on the races they are eligible for. Typically, jurisdictions use special ballots for non-citizens to prevent confusion and ensure compliance with the law. This is especially important to avoid errors, as voting in federal or state races without eligibility could lead to legal consequences.

[LuFins Dad]

That’s good to know. Thanks for looking it up! I didn’t have time as I was making sure my passport’s ready for November.

[jon-nyc]

The thing about ‘illegal aliens are voting in large numbers to steal the election’ is it’s not even an empirical question, really. You can disprove it in your head.

Unless you’ve eaten too much necrotic flesh.

[Jolly]

@89th said in The scene in Fairfax County:

The problem with this is this is why Trump folks can't believe they lost, because there were so many flags, and signs, and people outside the voting center, forgetting that the real power is on the ballot itself. It's similar to how in 2016 liberals were surprised when Hillary lost because all the media outlets were cheerleading for Hillary, they didn't realize a silent majority was as large as it was.

LuFin addressed the ballot itself.

It stinks. It's wrong. It's cheating.

Don't piss on people's legs and tell them it's raining. Not if you want to people to believe you.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in The scene in Fairfax County:

The thing about ‘illegal aliens are voting in large numbers to steal the election’ is it’s not even an empirical question, really. You can disprove it in your head.

Unless you’ve eaten too much necrotic flesh.

Mike Johnson pointed out he serves with a congress critter that was elected by 6 votes.

[jon-nyc]

Yep, that might happen every couple of decades across 435 races every two years. But you don’t know in advance.

So let’s say we want to steal the presidential election. I pick a swing state or three. Sure, FL went within 500 votes in 2000, but you can’t bank on that, again an outlier.

Would would you realistically need to plan for? 30k votes? 20k in a small swing state? 60k in PA?

Where do I get 30k people willing to take the risk? What’s the sales pitch?

“Hey commit this felony. If caught, you’ll be prosecuted and deported and forever inelegible for a green card or a visa. What’s in it for you? You get a 1 in 15MM say in who gets the electoral votes of the state!

Oh, and by the way, the second you commit the felony the government will be in durable possession of documents proving the felony.

You in, buddy????”

And in the course of signing up tens of thousands per state, you gotta make sure not even one person talks.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in The scene in Fairfax County:

The thing about ‘illegal aliens are voting in large numbers to steal the election’ is it’s not even an empirical question, really. You can disprove it in your head.

Unless you’ve eaten too much necrotic flesh.

See, you’re looking at for one giant manipulation. That’s not what those that are pushing for election security are overly concerned about. We’re much more concerned about the thumb on the scale here and there. A thumb on the scale here and there would have or may have made all the difference in the last two presidential elections.

I think that all Americans can agree that elections should be as open and as secure as possible. We also agree that it should be as simple and accommodating as possible. We just disagree on where the fine line lies between accommodation and security.

I personally believe that a state issued DL or Real ID showing identity and residence is not an onerous responsibility for voting. It’s a requirement in most western democracies. The lack of such a simple and reasonable precaution, and the emphatic opposition to it raises my suspicions. So if I can’t have Real ID, then I want the next best thing…
Passport or Birth Certificate. It’s actually less identification than is necessary to get a job or cash a check, but now you turn that down? Trust levels really start to drop…

I’ll be blunt. Trust in officials and authority is nonexistent in this election. The last 4 years had completely killed what little trust there was. And I’m not just talking about the 2020 election. I’m talking about COVID. 14 Days…It came from a wet market pangolin, not a lab… The vaccine will prevent infection… The laptop was fake. The Steele Dossier… Natural Immunity isn’t effective. The entire FBI…There is no trust remaining in a very large segment of people. So this election better be the most fucking open, honest, and secure election we have ever seen. If that means asking people to bring their fricking passport or birth certificate and for little actual gain other than helping people feel a little more secure, then do it. A little inconvenience is worth building some kind of trust.

[Doctor Phibes]

@LuFins-Dad said in The scene in Fairfax County:

That’s good to know. Thanks for looking it up! I didn’t have time as I was making sure my passport’s ready for November.

You’re moving to Canada?

[jon-nyc]

A thumb on the scale here and there would have or may have made all the difference in the last two presidential elections.

See my last example. That ‘thumb’ that might have made a difference would be 15-60k votes per swing state.