The scene in Fairfax County
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@jon-nyc said in The scene in Fairfax County:
Are the trump people there to vote? Or harass others who vote?
Just checking citizenship status.
The Brad
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@jon-nyc said in The scene in Fairfax County:
So the latter.
Trump is such a cancer.
You know I was being facetious, right?
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But on to that subject… Frederick, MD just approved non-citizen voting for local elections.
Here is Frederick County Ballot Options depending on locality - https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2024/general_ballots/frederick.pdf
Note that there aren’t separate ballots for local/state/federal issues. So that’s the ballot given to undocumented migrants. As the ballots themselves are anonymous, please explain to me what prevents a noncitizen from voting on the federal/state offices? And further, how could you ever know that a noncitizen voted in the federal election? You say there’s no proof that non-citizens are voting, but how could there be proof in these districts?
The Brad
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But on to that subject… Frederick, MD just approved non-citizen voting for local elections.
Here is Frederick County Ballot Options depending on locality - https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2024/general_ballots/frederick.pdf
Note that there aren’t separate ballots for local/state/federal issues. So that’s the ballot given to undocumented migrants. As the ballots themselves are anonymous, please explain to me what prevents a noncitizen from voting on the federal/state offices? And further, how could you ever know that a noncitizen voted in the federal election? You say there’s no proof that non-citizens are voting, but how could there be proof in these districts?
@LuFins-Dad said in The scene in Fairfax County:
But on to that subject… Frederick, MD just approved non-citizen voting for local elections.
Here is Frederick County Ballot Options depending on locality - https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2024/general_ballots/frederick.pdf
Note that there aren’t separate ballots for local/state/federal issues. So that’s the ballot given to undocumented migrants. As the ballots themselves are anonymous, please explain to me what prevents a noncitizen from voting on the federal/state offices? And further, how could you ever know that a noncitizen voted in the federal election? You say there’s no proof that non-citizens are voting, but how could there be proof in these districts?
The talking point from the sorts who are invested in marginalizing any questions about voting fraud is that it “doesn’t scale”. But it seems like fraudulent anonymous ballots scales just fine.
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But on to that subject… Frederick, MD just approved non-citizen voting for local elections.
Here is Frederick County Ballot Options depending on locality - https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2024/general_ballots/frederick.pdf
Note that there aren’t separate ballots for local/state/federal issues. So that’s the ballot given to undocumented migrants. As the ballots themselves are anonymous, please explain to me what prevents a noncitizen from voting on the federal/state offices? And further, how could you ever know that a noncitizen voted in the federal election? You say there’s no proof that non-citizens are voting, but how could there be proof in these districts?
@LuFins-Dad said in The scene in Fairfax County:
But on to that subject… Frederick, MD just approved non-citizen voting for local elections.
Here is Frederick County Ballot Options depending on locality - https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2024/general_ballots/frederick.pdf
Note that there aren’t separate ballots for local/state/federal issues. So that’s the ballot given to undocumented migrants. As the ballots themselves are anonymous, please explain to me what prevents a noncitizen from voting on the federal/state offices? And further, how could you ever know that a noncitizen voted in the federal election? You say there’s no proof that non-citizens are voting, but how could there be proof in these districts?
They should include on the ballot some basic USA civics questions, such as how many states are there, which continent is the USA in, how many branches of government we have, and which country we declared independence from in 1776.
If they get the questions right, they are likely non-citizens LOL
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The problem with this is this is why Trump folks can't believe they lost, because there were so many flags, and signs, and people outside the voting center, forgetting that the real power is on the ballot itself. It's similar to how in 2016 liberals were surprised when Hillary lost because all the media outlets were cheerleading for Hillary, they didn't realize a silent majority was as large as it was.
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@jon-nyc said in The scene in Fairfax County:
Are the trump people there to vote? Or harass others who vote?
Just checking citizenship status.
@LuFins-Dad said in The scene in Fairfax County:
Just checking citizenship status.
We need more patriots like that.
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I shouldn't worry, everybody in that line appears to be a honky.
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@LuFins-Dad That was passed four days ago and doesn’t take effect until 2025. If you show me this is a problem in congressional elections in 2026 I’ll be all ears.
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And there are dozens of other districts and cities that allow it. Please explain how they keep non-citizens from completing the federal and state parts of the ballot?
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Yes, here are a couple of examples:
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San Francisco, California: Since 2016, non-citizens, including undocumented immigrants, are allowed to vote in school board elections if they have children enrolled in the city’s public schools. These non-citizen voters are given a separate ballot that only contains the school board elections, ensuring they are not voting in any federal, state, or other local elections for which they are ineligible.
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Montgomery County, Maryland: Some municipalities within the county, such as Takoma Park and Hyattsville, allow non-citizens to vote in local elections like mayoral and city council races. In these cases, non-citizens receive a ballot specifically tailored to local elections, which does not include state or federal races. This ensures they are only participating in the elections they are legally allowed to vote in.
In both cases, the use of separate or specialized ballots helps prevent non-citizens from mistakenly participating in elections beyond their eligibility.
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Are there any examples where they’re given the full ballot and told to only vote a subset?
I’m not aware of any examples where non-citizen voters are given a full ballot and simply instructed to vote only on the races they are eligible for. Typically, jurisdictions use special ballots for non-citizens to prevent confusion and ensure compliance with the law. This is especially important to avoid errors, as voting in federal or state races without eligibility could lead to legal consequences.
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That’s good to know. Thanks for looking it up! I didn’t have time as I was making sure my passport’s ready for November.
The Brad
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The thing about ‘illegal aliens are voting in large numbers to steal the election’ is it’s not even an empirical question, really. You can disprove it in your head.
Unless you’ve eaten too much necrotic flesh.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
-Cormac McCarthy
