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Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT

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  • H Horace
    11 Sept 2024, 16:48

    @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

    Re the calls, of course I can’t prove what calls his office did t receive. But by all accounts the cat-eating meme only started in the last 48 hours. The parsimonious explanation is that he wanted to boost it and needed a pretext to bring it up other than ‘racist trolls on Gab invented this story. run with it’.

    Your own account admits that if a hoaxer or set of hoaxers called his office, it would give Vance's story more credibility than you're willing to give it. That's a lot of political power in the hands of a potential hoaxer, to expect them to forego it just because, what, they're above that sort of behavior? Your assuredness that Vance is lying, is unearned.

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 17:11 last edited by
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    @Horace said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

    Your own account admits that if a hoaxer or set of hoaxers called his office, it would give Vance's story more credibility than you're willing to give it. That's a lot of political power in the hands of a potential hoaxer, to expect them to forego it just because, what, they're above that sort of behavior?

    If they want him to boost their meme just make it useful to him politically and get it in front of him online. Seems a lot more efficient than calling an intern in Columbus to tell him your cat is missing and hoping the story makes it to the boss.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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    • J jon-nyc
      11 Sept 2024, 17:11

      @Horace said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

      Your own account admits that if a hoaxer or set of hoaxers called his office, it would give Vance's story more credibility than you're willing to give it. That's a lot of political power in the hands of a potential hoaxer, to expect them to forego it just because, what, they're above that sort of behavior?

      If they want him to boost their meme just make it useful to him politically and get it in front of him online. Seems a lot more efficient than calling an intern in Columbus to tell him your cat is missing and hoping the story makes it to the boss.

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      Horace
      wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 17:27 last edited by
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      @jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

      @Horace said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

      Your own account admits that if a hoaxer or set of hoaxers called his office, it would give Vance's story more credibility than you're willing to give it. That's a lot of political power in the hands of a potential hoaxer, to expect them to forego it just because, what, they're above that sort of behavior?

      If they want him to boost their meme just make it useful to him politically and get it in front of him online. Seems a lot more efficient than calling an intern in Columbus to tell him your cat is missing and hoping the story makes it to the boss.

      Maybe the parsimonious explanation for your assuredness that no calls were made, is that it makes Vance a liar, and you like believing that about Vance. I mean just maybe. Since we're talking parsimony.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Copper
        wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 17:48 last edited by
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        • X xenon
          11 Sept 2024, 16:15

          Her talking points were mostly bait to piss Trump off ("your rallies are boring"). It worked, but the debate just became fodder for each respective base. Nothing was learned, very few minds were probably changed. I think this will be a non-event in the overall race.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 18:23 last edited by
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          @xenon said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

          Her talking points were mostly bait to piss Trump off ("your rallies are boring"). It worked, but the debate just became fodder for each respective base. Nothing was learned, very few minds were probably changed. I think this will be a non-event in the overall race.

          As it starts to shake out, I think you're right. I think you might see a small bump for her, but I don't think it lasts. Back to the status quo.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • L LuFins Dad
            11 Sept 2024, 17:07

            Again, the real story is what is driving the accusations in these towns, and dismissing it as racism or xenophobia will ultimately bite you in the ass

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            Jolly
            wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 18:24 last edited by
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            @LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

            Again, the real story is what is driving the accusations in these towns, and dismissing it as racism or xenophobia will ultimately bite you in the ass

            Bingo.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Jolly
              wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 19:23 last edited by
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              The Paper of Record speaks...

              U.S. — Following last night's debate in which David Muir and Linsey Davis employed an impressive strategy against former President Donald Trump, news broke that Democrats have decided to replace Kamala Harris on the ballot with the ABC moderators.

              Discussions began almost immediately after the debate to replace the Harris-Walz ticket with Muir-Davis based entirely on the moderators' ability to articulate Harris' positions and attack Trump better than she ever has.

              "They really got her strongest points across," said one top Democratic Party official. "We loved the way they fought back against any facts Trump was presenting. They've mastered the art of twisting reality and playing fast and loose with truth, which is exactly what we look for in our candidates. It was staring us right in the face. We talked it over and figured, why not just go with them instead?'"

              Muir and Davis were surprised but humbled by the news. "It will be an honor to serve," Muir said in a brief statement. "We have always done our very best to advance the cause of the Democratic Party, and now that we're being called upon to run for election, we would be shirking our responsibility as journalists not to answer the call. As members of the press, we always know what's best for all Americans. We can't wait to get into the White House."

              At publishing time, Muir and Davis released a statement that they were looking forward to their next debate against Trump, which they would moderate themselves.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Tom-K
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                  Mik
                  wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 19:56 last edited by
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                  Brilliant.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 20:22 last edited by
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                    Speaking of brilliant, NR went back and pulled the questions asked of the candidates. It's illuminating...

                    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/trumps-biggest-problem-at-the-debate-was-trump/

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 20:25 last edited by Jolly 9 Nov 2024, 21:34
                      #96

                      And ... Thought Megan Kelly had the best take ..No Republican should ever do a debate with ABC again. Ever.

                      She also thought the best debate would be pure adversarial. Let each candidate pick the moderator for the other candidate.

                      For example, the moderators last night might have been Sean Hannity and Rachal Maddow (edit. Spell check changed Maddow).

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • J Jolly
                        11 Sept 2024, 20:25

                        And ... Thought Megan Kelly had the best take ..No Republican should ever do a debate with ABC again. Ever.

                        She also thought the best debate would be pure adversarial. Let each candidate pick the moderator for the other candidate.

                        For example, the moderators last night might have been Sean Hannity and Rachal Maddow (edit. Spell check changed Maddow).

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 21:16 last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:

                        For example, the moderators last night might have been Sean Hannity Adolf Hitler and Rachal Maddie Mother Teresa.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 21:38 last edited by Jolly 9 Nov 2024, 21:47
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                          And speaking of eating Fluffy...

                          Politics is perception. Whether the rumors are true or not, people believe the rumors are true!

                          The people believe that because a city of 58,000 received 20,000 Haitians. It's a mess...You cannot dump that many people from a dissimilar culture into a community and expect any kind of assimilation.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 21:50 last edited by
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                            I lived in that town for several years and you are right.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 22:10 last edited by
                              #100

                              Well, maybe some people changed their minds...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 11 Sept 2024, 23:38 last edited by
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                                Final confirmation that he has lost all of his cognitive abilities.

                                I was only joking

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 00:13 last edited by
                                  #102

                                  Sometimes Alzheimer's patients have remarkable flashes of lucidity.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    12 Sept 2024, 00:13

                                    Sometimes Alzheimer's patients have remarkable flashes of lucidity.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 00:50 last edited by
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                                    @Jolly 😆

                                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 01:25 last edited by
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                                      Lindsey Graham assessment:

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 01:26 last edited by
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                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                        • M Mik
                                          12 Sept 2024, 01:26

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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote on 12 Sept 2024, 01:30 last edited by
                                          #106

                                          @Mik I get what you are saying, but the only real vote is in November. Is there any rule in the US that a party has to have a primary to nominate a president?

                                          What would have happened if President Trump had been assassinated? Would Sen. Vance be the nominated?

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