Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT
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If you think it's migrants doing it, and immigration is a huge hotbutton political issue, and your senator happens to be the VP nominee, then yes it's plausible to call his office. It's also plausible that the calls are an orchestrated effort by partisans to invent a politically advantageous rumor. In either case, actual phone calls can occur. It's not obvious that Vance is lying about the calls.
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One interesting observation I heard about the debate is that kamala is not hitting the "existential threat" note nearly to the extent of Biden. Obviously this decision comes from polling or focus groups. America is over that piece of gaslighting, by and large. Anybody still all-in on it betrays that their tribal programming has outlived its usefulness.
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That observation was made from the beginning of her campaign in July. Given that she had more or less the same staff as Biden did, you have to figure that that was the best card they could play with the limited hand that was Joe Biden, whereas they had more cards available with Harris.
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Re the calls, of course I can’t prove what calls his office did t receive. But by all accounts the cat-eating meme only started in the last 48 hours. The parsimonious explanation is that he wanted to boost it and needed a pretext to bring it up other than ‘racist trolls on Gab invented this story. run with it’.
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Her talking points were mostly bait to piss Trump off ("your rallies are boring"). It worked, but the debate just became fodder for each respective base. Nothing was learned, very few minds were probably changed. I think this will be a non-event in the overall race.
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@xenon said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Nothing was learned,
Not quite true. I learned that Trump flip-flopped yet again on the 6-week abortion ban in FL.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Re the calls, of course I can’t prove what calls his office did t receive. But by all accounts the cat-eating meme only started in the last 48 hours. The parsimonious explanation is that he wanted to boost it and needed a pretext to bring it up other than ‘racist trolls on Gab invented this story. run with it’.
The public accusations go back to June. At least regarding the ducks and geese in the park.
At any rate, the importance of the rumors is not really whether pets are being barbecues, it’s what is driving it. People in small towns that are seeing their neighborhoods and towns being overwhelmed with undocumented aliens. Major cities are being overwhelmed by proportionally much smaller numbers. These small cities and towns in blue collar areas are being devastated. I’ve mentioned Charleroi, a town of 4200 that now has an additional 2000 Haitians in it. That entire town voted for Trump in 2020 55%-45%. Right now it’s looking like 90-10. And while it’s a small town in Western PA, it’s surrounded by larger towns that are well aware of what’s happening in Charleroi and avoiding it like the plague, and blaming the immigration policies. There’s 100000 residents of the Mon Valley… Then there’s the communities surrounding the Valley. If 40K votes went the other way in 2020, Trump wins PA. He likely picks up 20K of those votes in the Mon Valley. York, PA is having the same problem, as is Raubville. I’m afraid that our Border Czar will have some difficulties in Pennsylvania.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Re the calls, of course I can’t prove what calls his office did t receive. But by all accounts the cat-eating meme only started in the last 48 hours. The parsimonious explanation is that he wanted to boost it and needed a pretext to bring it up other than ‘racist trolls on Gab invented this story. run with it’.
Your own account admits that if a hoaxer or set of hoaxers called his office, it would give Vance's story more credibility than you're willing to give it. That's a lot of political power in the hands of a potential hoaxer, to expect them to forego it just because, what, they're above that sort of behavior? Your assuredness that Vance is lying, is unearned.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Re the calls, of course I can’t prove what calls his office did t receive. But by all accounts the cat-eating meme only started in the last 48 hours. The parsimonious explanation is that he wanted to boost it and needed a pretext to bring it up other than ‘racist trolls on Gab invented this story. run with it’.
The public accusations go back to June. At least regarding the ducks and geese in the park.
At any rate, the importance of the rumors is not really whether pets are being barbecues, it’s what is driving it. People in small towns that are seeing their neighborhoods and towns being overwhelmed with undocumented aliens. Major cities are being overwhelmed by proportionally much smaller numbers. These small cities and towns in blue collar areas are being devastated. I’ve mentioned Charleroi, a town of 4200 that now has an additional 2000 Haitians in it. That entire town voted for Trump in 2020 55%-45%. Right now it’s looking like 90-10. And while it’s a small town in Western PA, it’s surrounded by larger towns that are well aware of what’s happening in Charleroi and avoiding it like the plague, and blaming the immigration policies. There’s 100000 residents of the Mon Valley… Then there’s the communities surrounding the Valley. If 40K votes went the other way in 2020, Trump wins PA. He likely picks up 20K of those votes in the Mon Valley. York, PA is having the same problem, as is Raubville. I’m afraid that our Border Czar will have some difficulties in Pennsylvania.
There is quite a wikipedia article on the pet eating hoax already.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield,_Ohio_cat-eating_hoax
At the time of the 2020 census, Springfield, Ohio, had a population of 58,662. Between 15,000–20,000 Haitian migrants came to Springfield since then.[15] While the migrants have had a positive economic impact on the city, the rapid population expansion strained public resources.[16][12]
I wonder how they establish that the migrants have had a positive economic impact? The cites are paywalled.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
The public accusations go back to June. At least regarding the ducks and geese in the park.
I’m talking pets, which are almost certainly false. ‘Eating wild ducks’ doesn’t sound quite as scary. I’ll bet some of us have done so.
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Again, the real story is what is driving the accusations in these towns, and dismissing it as racism or xenophobia will ultimately bite you in the ass
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@Horace said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Your own account admits that if a hoaxer or set of hoaxers called his office, it would give Vance's story more credibility than you're willing to give it. That's a lot of political power in the hands of a potential hoaxer, to expect them to forego it just because, what, they're above that sort of behavior?
If they want him to boost their meme just make it useful to him politically and get it in front of him online. Seems a lot more efficient than calling an intern in Columbus to tell him your cat is missing and hoping the story makes it to the boss.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
@Horace said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Your own account admits that if a hoaxer or set of hoaxers called his office, it would give Vance's story more credibility than you're willing to give it. That's a lot of political power in the hands of a potential hoaxer, to expect them to forego it just because, what, they're above that sort of behavior?
If they want him to boost their meme just make it useful to him politically and get it in front of him online. Seems a lot more efficient than calling an intern in Columbus to tell him your cat is missing and hoping the story makes it to the boss.
Maybe the parsimonious explanation for your assuredness that no calls were made, is that it makes Vance a liar, and you like believing that about Vance. I mean just maybe. Since we're talking parsimony.
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@xenon said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Her talking points were mostly bait to piss Trump off ("your rallies are boring"). It worked, but the debate just became fodder for each respective base. Nothing was learned, very few minds were probably changed. I think this will be a non-event in the overall race.
As it starts to shake out, I think you're right. I think you might see a small bump for her, but I don't think it lasts. Back to the status quo.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Again, the real story is what is driving the accusations in these towns, and dismissing it as racism or xenophobia will ultimately bite you in the ass
Bingo.
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The Paper of Record speaks...
U.S. — Following last night's debate in which David Muir and Linsey Davis employed an impressive strategy against former President Donald Trump, news broke that Democrats have decided to replace Kamala Harris on the ballot with the ABC moderators.
Discussions began almost immediately after the debate to replace the Harris-Walz ticket with Muir-Davis based entirely on the moderators' ability to articulate Harris' positions and attack Trump better than she ever has.
"They really got her strongest points across," said one top Democratic Party official. "We loved the way they fought back against any facts Trump was presenting. They've mastered the art of twisting reality and playing fast and loose with truth, which is exactly what we look for in our candidates. It was staring us right in the face. We talked it over and figured, why not just go with them instead?'"
Muir and Davis were surprised but humbled by the news. "It will be an honor to serve," Muir said in a brief statement. "We have always done our very best to advance the cause of the Democratic Party, and now that we're being called upon to run for election, we would be shirking our responsibility as journalists not to answer the call. As members of the press, we always know what's best for all Americans. We can't wait to get into the White House."
At publishing time, Muir and Davis released a statement that they were looking forward to their next debate against Trump, which they would moderate themselves.
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Speaking of brilliant, NR went back and pulled the questions asked of the candidates. It's illuminating...
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/trumps-biggest-problem-at-the-debate-was-trump/
